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Price is the biggest factor. You can get 10 cores with Intel for cheaper than 8 with AMD, plus with Intel you get integrated graphics as well which is really important right now considering the GPU shortage. Also, Intel allows virtual GPUs for virtualization in QEMU which AMD won't do.

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“Choose Intel because it’s cheaper than AMD” is one of those arguments that make you realise how quickly the world changes.

The whole situation is a kind of surreal 180-degree turn of what things looked like 5+ years ago and a testament to how far AMD has come.

"Yeah go with Intel if you don't need top performance because the CPUs offer more[0], but slower cores, albeit with much higher power draw and a decent-enough integrated GPU at a cheaper price point."

Are you sure we're not talking about early 2010s era AMD APUs?

[0]: There are as many caveats here as there were 10 years ago for AMD.

It does make sense though given that they’re still cashing in on their mature process when AMD is in the TSMC 7nm bidding war

If I wanted more than 8 cores, the 12-core ryzen 5900X is $549, can you really get an intel 10-core cpu for the same price, or within 50 bucks plus or minus, that performs better?

I'm seeing the i9-10900K for $467, but in terms of dollars/performance per core I think it's still behind the ryzen which costs $82 more.

https://www.techspot.com/review/2132-amd-ryzen-5900x/

The biggest issue you're going to run into, is that the 5900x may be $549 retail or whatever, but where are you going to buy one? I recently opted for a pre-built 4600G PC, and the 4700G is a great price point too... unfortunately AMD decided to really open these up to OEMs.

Can you get the 5900X at all?

Not to mention, where would you get an adequate GPU to go along with it unless you already have one.

GPU is not a prerequisite unless you're into gaming or ML. For someone like me, a GeForce 8800GT is sufficient, but I'll take all the cores and RAM I can get.

Some form of GPU with modern display out is needed for some multi-monitor setups (mostly 4k), even if you don't do ML or gaming. Unfortunately there are also many motherboards out there that only support running one 4k monitor at 60 Hz even if the integrated graphics support more.

if you are going to use the GPU solely for the video (output) acceleration then you still have many options that can do that but (fortunately?) can't mine digital currency efficiently.

Don't know about that. Here in France, I've just checked Amazon for a cheap, relatively modern GPU and the offer has dried up (at least those sold by Amazon). I'm looking to run a GPU-passthrough virtual Windows on my linux PC without integrated graphics.

I bought a RX550 a year or so ago so my father could run a 4K screen. It cost around 100 euros at the time. This would be ideal for my use case, but now I can't find one. Are those even useful for mining?

On the nvidia side, all you can find is some GT 710. Not sure those can run 4K screens (didn't check). Even the GT 1030 is hard to find - a few months ago they were everywhere.

I wouldn't recommend buying a 5900X for gaming; you're going to be bottlenecked on your 3080 GTX even with many fewer CPU cores. 5900X is a workstation-class CPU.

I wouldn't look at the 10900k trying to "save a buck" on the high end. Instead the 10850k which is, for most purposes, just a 100 MHz slower 10900k can be found on sale for 350$. Higher availability, and prices that meet or are below recommended MSRP.

You can't really get a 5900X for $550, they're sold out everywhere. (I'm trying to buy one myself.)

The 8-core 5800X is available at MSRP, though (at least, I've seen Newegg stock it).

AMD needs to integrate basic gpu in its higher end CPUs. With the current gpu prices where even old low end models are selling for double it will make sense for anyone needing good desktop experience without need for a fast gpu otherwise AMD is missing a market segment.

There is no shortage on dedicated low end GPUs.

There is in the Netherlands it seems. The only one available AMD one is a RX 580 for €669, the only available Nvidia one is a €109 GT 1030. The GT 710 cards seem like a huge downgrade in terms of display options compared to my laptop’s integrated graphics.

Considering I bought an RX 580 for under 300 euro when it came out, the shortage is quite real unfortunately on all gpu levels.

Where did you look? RX 550 seems to be readily available

https://geizhals.de/?cat=gra16_512&v=l&hloc=at&hloc=de&hloc=...

Like I said, in the Netherlands. I looked at a couple of the biggest stores and looked at what was available to be picked up or sent over right away. I did recheck and found one single store that sells a RX 550 for €95. Look (warning illegal cookie wall): https://tweakers.net/videokaarten/vergelijken/#filter:q1ZKSc...

I'm just cracking a smile and almost laughing at the thought that 25 years ago I wanted an Intel Pentium but had to settle for a cheaper AMD 586 clone that ran hotter and performed worse. My, my, my how the tables have turned on Intel...

> Intel allows virtual GPUs for virtualization in QEMU which AMD won't do.

What is the level of capabilities we can expect from this? How many simultaneous VMs can use the Intel GPU?

I'd expect similar capabilities to the host GPU. In terms of how many virtual GPUs can you use with acceleration, unless you're trying to run graphics-intensive tasks on multiple VMs then you're mostly limited by your RAM. Here is more information for the Intel UHD 630:

https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/intel/uhd_graphics/630

Ah, 11700k is 8 core, like the 5800X??

Yep

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