Why You Should Take Any Vaccine
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Antivaxx craze and fake news network effects can only explain so much.
I looked it up. 76% of "nursing home staff" in France are refusing the vaccine. I don't generally take my vaccination advice from people working in care homes, and the Reuters article implies that it is generally because these employees are skeptical of the government, not on any scientific basis: https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-france-va...
>Why the scepticism?
>The nurse who spoke to FranceInfo said that the arguments her colleagues gave against the vaccine were typical of those being shared often online.
>“It’s too fast, there is a lack of objectivity, the vaccine is hiding something, why have they still not found a vaccine against AIDS...” she said.
Which seems more like general news story type arguments rather than anything scientific
From what I've read, all of the vaccines approved for emergency use so far in the US and EU stop 100% or close to it of severe cases and hospitalizations. Vaccinated people who get COVID get a case that is no worse than a mild to moderate seasonal flu.
The high efficacy vaccines reduces your chances of getting COVID at all quite a bit more than the ones with lesser efficacy.
For someone like me, who works at home and only goes out every so often for groceries, if I get COVID there is a very good chance I'll notice symptoms before I would next go out, and so can quarantine myself and not spread it.
My main concern, then, is ensuring that if I do catch it I get at most a mild case. Any of the vaccines will do that for me, so for me it makes the most sense to take the first one offered to me.
For health staff, they won't be working at home. If they get COVID they might have plenty of chances to spread it in the couple of days or so it takes to start showing symptoms. And the people they will be spreading it to, besides other health workers, will include people who are already weakened from whatever they have come to the doctor or hospital to have treated.
So for health staff we need more than just turning their cases mild. We want to stop them from getting it in the first place. Hence, they should be getting the high efficacy vaccines.
Cite or you get a downvote. Name the country and the vaccine type.
Would I take any of Moderna, J&J, etc. developed under scrutiny and forced to open their data to the public? Sure.
Would I take one of the Russian or Chinese vaccines that have had questionable data releases? Probably not.
Relax I just wrote from memory - I remembed the number, not the source, but someone gave an actual source. Happy?
> Would I take one of the Russian or Chinese vaccines that have had questionable data releases? Probably not.
I will happily take any vaccine that has been tested over 10M peoplefor over 1 year - even better if it's a tried and true old technology (not mRNA) like at least Astra Zeneca.
Until then, I will wait and let the other find out the potential dangers for me.
I am young and healthy, almost no risk, so waiting won't change my plans or behaviours.
And I don't presume to tell anyone what they should do (even if I really prefer if everybody got vaccinated, for herd immunity) - just what I am doing for myself.
But that is bullshit.
A.) Because we did already vaccinated more than 10 m people with each vaccine.
B.) We already did phase 2 trials to know it is safe!
Repeat after me: Vaccines are at least 1000x to 100000x safer than going unvaccinated.
It might be hard to comprehend, but vaccines are very safe.
> One reason for the scepticism is that those recommending the vaccine are the same people - the French state - whom care home workers blame for their low pay and tough working conditions, said Malika Belarbi, a care worker and trade union official.
So, basically, this has nothing to do with whether the vaccines are or are not medically okay but everything to do with the fact that the workers don't trust the people who have crapped on them.
And, when you say care workers, normally those people are NOT medical professionals (most, in fact, are probably immigrant labor).
The downvote stays.
You're not a hacker news celebrity. You have no authority here. You need an ego check. I just upvoted him for no reason other than to demonstrate 1=1.
Thanks for the example in a nutshell.
Still, it's better than the alternative: not being immunised and a possible patient/transmission vector.
Count yourself lucky.
Maybe you’ll have a serious and uncomfortable immune response, but since the vaccine can’t proliferate, it will be a relatively brief one at even seventy-two hours.
However, as someone who got Covid, I wish I could have had the opportunity to skip 2 weeks of misery and months of recovery in return for 2-3 days of a reaction.
There is a reasonable question about the necessity of that second dose, however.
In all seriousness, she said the shots hurt more than the flu shots do - and the second one she felt like the early sign of getting sick but never did (immune response, but goes oh its nothing! cool!). Past that, she's been working with covid positive people in home health settings
The MOMENT that I qualify for a covid vaccine, I'm taking it. I don't care which vaccine it is. When it's available, I'll gladly take. And for me, that's one step closer to coming back to normal lives, vacationing, and having fun in different parts of the world... And the biggest thing - putting the pandemic behind us.
So No I won't take ANY, especially not a chinese one.
https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datarequest/D8;jsessionid=...
It's self reported, but given the risk of COVID-19 is extremely low for anyone under 50:
https://www.heritage.org/data-visualizations/public-health/c...
Note: the fatality rate is likely significantly lower, due to many cases going untested. If you're under 50, influenza is a significantly higher fatality rate.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html
Just wanted to point out the evidence related to the vaccines, aka flu vaccine is definitely a good idea (especially if older). COVID19 vaccines, would not recommend unless you are in your 70's.
There were already warning cases with flu and some other diseases.
I'm super happy to give it to them, as I want as many people vaccinated to protect me (herd immunity) without being vaccinated myself to avoid the rare risk of side effects that will be known better in a year or two from now.
Yeah, I'm selfish. And no, I don't care about people possibly dying. They should get vaccinated! They should take any vaccine!
Actually, I wish I could resell the dose the government wants to give me to someone from a country that doesn't have enough vaccine, like on ebay.
Unfortunately, in my experience, it doesn't work: I tried to do that before during the H1N1 scare with the help of friends and the parcels didn't reach the buyers.
Your argument is based on a superficial interpretation of these 0.4% of "risks". Let's assume you mean Covid, and not paper cuts or meteorite impacts. 0.4% is no promise that you won't die if you get it. Also, death rate is not the only factor that should be taken into account. Covid can seriously mess up your health even if you are young and healthy and survive.
A point that should also convice those that think selfishly: the faster herd immunity is achieved, the sooner this whole story ends. This should reduce the need for further lockdowns and also reduce the risk of some mutation of Covid-19 coming back. The seasonal influenca has been pretty much disrupted by the lockdowns and the sharp reduction in international travelling. Surely nobody misses them. Let's make the most out of it and ensure there is not going to be seasonal Covid in the future.
I know that >10M people have been for 1 month, and I know that at least 10'000 people have received the vaccine about 1 year ago ago in phase 2 tests, but this is 2 separate things, while what I'm asking for is the cumulative thing.
As for why, I decide what is injected in my body and I set my own safety benchmarks.
You may call that idiocy. I call that freedom.
No, I call it selfishness. You're free to be a narcissist if you want, of course!
It was in very high demand, and I could get some, so I figured, let the great material continuum provide to those who need it and have the money to pay for our efforts!
Unfortunately the customs hassled the customers for paperwork (the health market is so overregulated!) who then hassled me.
I was just in for a quick buck, and the vaccines were legit with all the barcodes and stuff, new in a manufacturer box, still sealed, so I didn't understand why!
Still, I did a few rounds giving the required documentation each time, until I realized the customs agents were just finding excuses to block the parcels, and more likely to keep the content for themselves or their family instead of my clients who had paid for it, or maybe for reselling themselves, as one dose was reselling for over 400 in some markets! So I gave up and issued refunds, even if it was not my fault that the parcel didn't reach the customers.
I should have lied about the content! Little did I know back then, I was young and naive and I thought the laws in the West meant something.
Still, it taught me some good lessons: don't deal with physical goods whenever possible! Don't deal with stuff that's full of regulations!
In a way, it helped define me, as the next schoolyear I got into crypto.