All this for the “largest” insurrection with smiling grandmas taking pictures as if in a tour.
Let’s stop the fake political show.
You’re proving my point. There is ZERO reason to station thousands of soldiers and barb wire fence around the “people’s building” all at the behest of politics.
Trump wasn't telling people to plant pipe bombs, at any stage, ever. It was organised and orchestrated solely by his supporters, in the same way that this 4th of March inauguration thing was invented and potentially to be orchestrated purely by his supporters.
That doesn't make it any less wrong.
Associating the act with the events on the day that followed is unsubstantiated.
Planting bombs at both political party headquarters sure seems like the action of someone that is disgruntled with the entire system. Perhaps someone that would go on to riot against the peaceful transfer of power within that system.
Exactly. We don't prosecute based on whims, but tangible evidence. You'd be wise to do the same.
Besides, who placed the bomb, again, does not influence the heinousness of the act. Placing pipe bombs at political party headquarters is an atrocious thing to do, and relevant agencies in DC are right to be on edge about this kind of behaviour. That is not "maximising", it is a prudent course of action.
Seems clear the President could have stayed back in the White House that day, as he’d made enough remarks for weeks and months to get folks to show up loaded for bear. It’s not like they went shopping after the speech started...
No idea why the remarks that day are seen as the thing as if in a vacuum.
I'm not saying you're wrong -- I just haven't read it. I don't read a lot of obviously left/right news, I try to divide my time equally, and to the best of my knowledge there was 1 deceased Capitol Police Officer. I don't know cause of death, I think I recall that they were investigating a singular individual -- but if you have a legitimate source, would love to read it.
“The F.B.I. has pinpointed an assailant in its investigation into the death of Brian D. Sicknick, a Capitol Police officer who was injured while fending off the pro-Trump mob that stormed the Capitol last month and later died, according to two law enforcement officials briefed on the inquiry.”
“The F.B.I. opened a homicide investigation into Officer Sicknick’s death soon after the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol. Investigators initially struggled to determine what had happened as he fought assailants. They soon began to suspect his death was related to an irritant, like mace or bear spray, that he had inhaled during the riot. Both officers and rioters were armed with such irritants during the attack.”
“In a significant breakthrough in the case, investigators have now pinpointed a person seen on video of the riot who attacked several officers with bear spray, including Officer Sicknick, according to the officials. And video evidence shows that the assailant discussed attacking officers with the bear spray beforehand, one of the officials said.”
To be clear, FBI bases this on video.
While I won’t call it gaslighting, it seems disingenuous to cite an out of date wikipedia quote or “correct” someone for writing:
> ”a police officer died due to protestor actions”
Which sounds like a perfect characterization of the current FBI thinking.
> investigators have now pinpointed a person seen on video of the riot who attacked several officers with bear spray, including Officer Sicknick ... and video evidence shows that the assailant discussed attacking officers with the bear spray beforehand ... F.B.I. officials homed in on the potential role of an irritant as a primary factor in his death.
The full article discusses other pieces of evidence still needed to charge, and notes:
> Given the evidence available to investigators, prosecutors could be more likely to bring charges of assaulting an officer, rather than murder...
Whether the actions were assault or murder the original comment on correlation to actions of a protestor seems within line. The followup comment, to which you replied, reframed as:
> There was 1 deceased Capitol Police Officer ... don't know cause of death ... think I recall that they were investigating a singular individual
All of which sounds accurate as of what’s known at present. Again, seems off to call out the error on the fire extinguisher but not acknowledge the FBI has narrowed down to a suspect from video.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/26/us/politics/brian-sicknic...
> Brian David Sicknick (July 30, 1978 – January 7, 2021) was an American officer of the United States Capitol Police who died of an unknown cause a day after the 2021 storming of the Capitol.
> The day after the storming, anonymous Capitol police officers told The New York Times that Sicknick sustained his injuries by being struck by a fire extinguisher while physically engaging with protesters. However, no corroborating evidence of this has been discovered, and medical examiners found no signs of blunt force trauma. The New York Times published a correction retracting the previous claim, noting that investigators have found little evidence that he was struck by a fire extinguisher.
https://www.insider.com/zip-tie-guy-capitol-riot-plastic-han...
During the senate hearings an FBI official was asked by Senator Johnson how many firearms were seized from the Capital Insurrection - "To my knowledge, none."
Turns out "armed" doesn't mean firearms....
And the NYTimes has quietly updated their article on Officer Sicknik's death. Now it's "The circumstances surrounding Mr. Sicknick’s death were not immediately clear"... this is after claiming he was killed by rioters.
Once the hysteria faded the story started falling apart.
In this specific case, I think the major underlying thing is the narrative pushed by Trump that the Democrats have just overtly dumped millions of votes to steal the election, and the courts, the legislature, and even others in his own political faction have failed us (and so, democracy has just de-facto collapsed in the US).
Now, Trump says a lot of stuff, and almost no one takes everything he says seriously, so it's worth looking at the data. But polls indicate that about 12% of Trump voters see Biden as the legitimate winner, and 73% view the election as stolen [1], so it's taken pretty well (in fact, so well that other Republicans can't effectively push back on it without jeopardizing their own political survival, but their equivocation just reinforces the narrative and causes them to lose further ground to the Trump faction).
Of course, most people won't take any action even if they feel a sinister faction has undermined democracy is this country, but it wouldn't be totally surprising if a tiny percentage are thinking about it (which in this case could add up to a substantial number), so the idea that law enforcement is seeing info that leads them to be concerned seems at least plausible. I wouldn't automatically write it off as only political.
As an anecdote I have a close relative in the midwest who is so polarized that they openly express desire for a right wing dictatorship (and they don't even view the election as stolen). Just one data point so not worth much, but I guess it makes the idea that extreme feelings are increasing and could boil over for a few people already on the edge feel more plausible to me.
[1] https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/imdk8zumh5/econTabReport.pdf
No matter what side you’re on, it’s important that people have confidence in our electoral system. Without that the system falls apart pretty quickly.
What I’m arguing against are the politicians fanning the flames because it’s politically expedient. They see an opportunity to gain political points or grab more power.
In the medium term I'm most worried about people losing faith in our institutions and their own party, and looking for one person to trust to reset the system unchecked by either of those. The inter-party power dynamics and confidence in institutions seems to have collapsed much more in one faction than the other, so I see the risks as asymmetric. I'm open to the idea that I'm thinking about this wrong though.
Didn't downvote you BTW.