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I'm a long-time del.icio.us user and I feel burned. Performance looks good, but I absolutely hate the new layout, its distracting and completely defeats the original simplistic appeal of the site. It kind of looks like Digg painted blue... and I'm a reddit-kind of guy :P

At least when Microsoft came out with Vista I could choose not to upgrade and keep XP. This really sucks!

Any recommendations on alternatives that are more like "del.icio.us" than "delicious.com"?

Twine.com is cool, I've been using it alongside del.icio.us for the last few months

>>At least when Microsoft came out with Vista I could choose not to upgrade and keep XP. This really sucks!

I think you make a very interesting point. This could be a major problem for online applications, where users are forced to use newer versions even if they prefer not to. Perhaps, as web applications mature, they will start giving users the option of using older versions, although I'm not sure how practical it would be for the developers.

Can I have old one back? This version sucks. Tag completion is crappy and you don't see the tags that other people selected for the link. Speed of entry was one thing that I liked about del.icio.us and now that it's gone, it's horrible. Two features that made me wanna use it are now gone. Great :(

If anyone has some suggestions for some other bookmark site, please leave them here.... I'm leaving delicious.com

Was this worth the wait? I don't think so.

The changes are small and the design is uninspiring. Maybe I'll see the improvements take a bigger affect the more I used it.

This is would of been alright about a year ago, but now my first impression is... yawn.

Looks so strange after you got used to the old UI. Hover over effects and animations everywhere make it look like a kaleidoscope. Hate that.

Some link URLs have been changed and are normalized in the wrong way! Link to my site now has 'www.' prepended to it. Lots of scripts and apps that rely on URL being stable will fail.

Now that I use the new one I'm wondering what the long wait was for. The search stuff is ok, but I don't really see anything else besides that and the new look. It's much slower than the old one. =/ I hope they plan to roll out more because this is pretty lackluster considering how long they've been talking about it.

Someday I'll have to tell the whole story.

Suffice it for now that the separation between product and engineering makes neither better.

would Product Engineers be the right set of folks to lead such initiatives?

What do 'product' do? The actual design, which is then handed over to engineering for implementation?

Something like that, yes.

There's Product Managers, Project Managers, Program Managers, Engineering managers.

I think what happens is you have Product guys on one hand and Developers on the other.

Engineering is inbetween and consists of the calculus of tradeoffs both from the technology and from functionality. Most of the people with "engineer" in their title are really developers, that just implement.

Then again, all this Silicon Valley software company mumbo jumbo is new to me -- I'm still somewhat new to this industry...

Didn't Yahoo make them rewrite it from Perl to PHP... probably accounts for a fair bit of time.

last.fm 2.0, Facebook 2.0 and even MySpace 2.0 all came before delicios 2.0, and they all (even MySpace) at least feel worth something.

(also, couldn't you just have linked to delicious instead of TechCrunch? Lately I'm getting this 'telling you what you don't really need to know' vibe from them and it's killing me)

The search is a lot faster, the safari bookmarklet opens in a new popup, the design is cool. Good first impression.

I like it.

A classic example of fixing what's not broken.

Exactly my thought. del.icio.us worked as expected, and I for one didn't wish any new feature. I just want to bookmark currently visited URL with tags, and that's it. That uber-polished design is completely unnecessary, even distracting. Even the former URL del.icio.us was more cool that this one.

I am sad.

They really have a big team working on it, curious to see that they display all their names and bookmarks: http://delicious.com/about

Unfortunately the UI is way to bloated, not enought contrast between the elements, like the old layout had. But perfomance wise, it seems that the migration to the PHP Symfony framework helped to speed things out.

Another unwelcome change is that the XML you get from, e.g. http://del.icio.us/api/tags/get now comes with a trailing comment containing the date and time. This means periodically downloading your data to store off-del.icio.us results in a growing set of diffs even when none of the real data's changed. E.g.

    -<!-- fe02.api.del.ac4.yahoo.net uncompressed Thu Jul 31 02:23:30 PDT 2008 -->
    +<!-- fe02.api.del.ac4.yahoo.net uncompressed Fri Aug  1 01:28:35 PDT 2008 -->

Now, I can change my scripts to easily work around this, but should I really have too? Didn't compiler writers learn a long time ago that embedding a timestamp into a object file is a bad idea; far better for it to be determinate for comparison and testing.

P.S. +1 for wanting the old UI back. Sorry, joshu.

Hopefully they fix the usability issues they introduced quickly. I'm a long time user and I might bail. More feedback here:

"Suggestions and ideas: What do you dislike about the new design?" http://support.delicious.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID...

Maybe contact Bernard as well:

Bernard Kerr, lead designer user experience designer @ delicious http://infosthetics.com/archives/2008/04/bernard_kerr_yahoo_...

Simple question for the new delicious:

How can I sort my bookmarks by # of people who have also bookmarked them? I want to see which of my bookmarks are most popular or least popular.

I haven't been "waiting" for the new design, so it not having any major changes doesn't bother me. It's a nice, fresh design and I like it - I'm glad they haven't done anything drastic.

I really wish they would allow for adding links to a bookmark's description. It would make it so much nicer for making "via" links. Markdown, Textile, <a href=..., anything!

I actually really like it. The design is cool and adds a lot of new UI features without over doing it or moving away from the simple and clean interface that made is so popular.

I'd like to see a simplified del.icio.us bookmarklet for the iPhone. Their new one is just too bulky to maneuver on my little phone.

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