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Ross Ulbricht regrets creating the darknet market website 'Silk Road'

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How he tweets from prison? Does some friend/relative running it for him?

I was asking myself the same thing

From this article: https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2018/08/16/silk-road-founde...

"his family opened a Twitter account for him in June, and they’ve been posting his tweets ever since."

The thing I never understood about it was how he planned to cash out his Bitcoin. Isn't it a public ledger where anyone can see where the money is moving?

If his addresses have been identified then yes, that becomes harder to do.

tumblers exist

But how effective are they if you’re putting in half of the tumbler’s pot? As in, if you put in a quarter of a million dollars, and others do too, you have a high likelihood of getting some of yours back. So the coins are still traceable to you.

A well written Tumbler wouldn’t connect any of your money to your own wallets, it’s not hard to think how an algorithm would do this. Just keep an internal ledger and make sure the money doesn’t come back to the source.

Ross probably could’ve even made his own tumbler. Giving out his money to anyone that sends him some would be a naive way to think about it.

In terms of amount, I don’t think it would be hard with all the illicit activity on bitcoin to launder even this amount of money, but it’s not like he would need all of it right away.

Anyways, this is in response to “isn’t this a public ledger?” To which the answer is, “not if you make part of the ledger private—outside the blockchain—it isn’t.”

I’ll admit, my knowledge of how Bitcoin’s blockchain works is limited. My question was based on a claim I heard a few years ago about how tumblers are ineffective. So I wasn’t aware that coins could exchange hands outside the public ledger. My understanding was that every transaction (even tumblers) was on the chain. Is there anywhere I could learn more about this?

Of course they can change hands outside the ledger. We could create paper wallets and exchange them on the street and the blockchain isn't going to know that happened. A tumbler is just a more complex version of that.

Imagine this scenario: You have 10 BTC of illegal funds you'd like to launder. I, and 3 of my friends each have 5 BTC and they're all wanting to do the same.

I transfer some money into a new wallet from 2 of my friends and give it to you. Your money goes to me and 1 of my other friends.

This way the blockchain has no link between your source funds and the money that you received.

This is a simple example. If you split the money into random amounts and do this a few times with new wallets each time it can easily become untraceable.

It turns out that a lot of surprisingly impactful criminals never really figure out how to launder their money. Ulbricht appears to have had no real plan for how to actually benefit from his criminal proceeds, instead enjoying the feeling of being 'bitcoin rich' whilst living an unremarkably lifestyle.

Paul LeRoux seems to have also been a bit like that, albeit more successful at the laundering part. Nonetheless, when he was finally caught it turned out most of his wealth was in the form of precious metals under physical guard, and IIRC there was some sort of dispute over theft.

The anti-money laundering system has some questionable tactics in it: it grants virtually unchecked power to regulators and the US Treasury to squash whoever they like for whatever reason they like, and those powers were badly abused under the Bush administration. Think punishment without trial for people who criticised Israel, stuff like that. However it's an evolved system that does appear to raise the bar to serious organised crime.

He ordered and paid for 2 people to be murdered. Do you still think Clemency should be granted?

Didn't know about this. His clemency petition [1] doesn't mention any serious crimes. It even lists over 250 organizations, eminent individuals and leaders have voiced their support[2] for clemency.

[1] https://www.change.org/p/president-of-the-united-states-clem... [2] https://freeross.org/support/

Yes, because those accusations were never proven in court.

No, he didn't. These allegations were just made up and not even part of the court case later. But sure enough, for every story about Ross somebody brings this up as if it's a matter of fact.

Damn man. I also heard the same thing. Also, I could have sworn it was mentioned in the audio book I read.

There's no reason to believe the allegations were made up. They were not part of the charges, but the alleged hitman himself, federal investigators, as well as journalists having studied everything related to the case are certain that Ulbricht did in fact pay for the hits on several individuals. The transcripts of the chats have been available for years.

https://www.wired.com/2015/04/silk-road-boss-first-murder-at...

Things like "due process" and "innocent until proven guilty" exist for a reason. If somebody is accused of something as serious as murder for hire they deserve a process about that or everybody should just shut about it.

A Wired article and some chat transcripts are hardly proof.

Ross got double life imprisonment and 40 years without possibility of parole for what is effectively building a website. Let that sink in for a moment.

And if people bring up the craziness of this sentencing the standard reply is "but murder for hire". Which he wasn't even charged one.

It's a classic bait and switch.

>Things like "due process" and "innocent until proven guilty" exist for a reason.

In a court of law, yes. However we are currently not in a court of law so I don't need to pretend that there's no evidence of the fact that he tried to get multiple people killed even though it never formally made it onto the list of charges. And if you think 'a few chat logs' are the only thing connecting him to the murders, I suggest you familiarise yourself with the actual case. It also included an undercover FBI agent being asked by Ulbricht to kill Curtis Clark Green, which included a fake death and faked torture footage being exchanged with Ulbricht[1]. Green himself corroborated this.

Al Capone was sentenced based on tax evasion, that doesn't mean I need to pretend that the mob didn't also kill people.

[1]http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2013/11/7/is-this-the-...

As the story goes, he was scammed. The ‘2 people’ didn’t even exist... Anyway nobody will ever prove it’s true or not so it’s just hearsay.... I personally support his cause because he is a scapegoat.

yeah. two consecutive terms of life in prison.

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