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> There is nothing preventing you from having your SSD repaired or replaced by anyone with the capability to do it.

This is just bullshit (if one uses your wording). Every new Apple laptop comes with glued SSD.

> By your definition, Linux is a walled garden because you can only run Linux binaries on Linux.

This is absolutely not what I am saying. The problem is not in the compiled binaries. The problem comes when I want to escape the Mac OS walled garden. I can run Linux or Windows in a VM on any operating system and escape its ecosystem any moment in this way. All apps will work in the VM. Not so for Mac OS. I don't think you are even trying to understand my reasoning. Instead you are finding every possibility for a tangential reply having nothing to do with my point.

>It would be weird to think that merely mentioning an operating system in a discussion about walled gardens makes it into a walled garden.

Then please tell me what the example of Mac OS with word "closed" nearby is doing in that Wikipedia page? Does it indicate that Mac OS is an open ecosystem?

> Then please tell me what the example of Mac OS with word "closed" nearby is doing in that Wikipedia page?

In the sentence “Mac OS is not a closed system”, the word ‘closed’ is near the words ‘Mac OS’.

I assume you don’t think that sentence means that Mac OS, is a closed system.

Generally, when words are ‘nearby’ other words you have to read the context to understand why they are there.

> Does it say that Mac OS is an open ecosystem?

Yes, it does say that it’s an open ecosystem.

In the parts of the table describing the ecosystem it has the word open in the rows for MacOS.

Obviously you can see that.

> Generally, when words are ‘nearby’ other words you have to read the context to understand why they are there.

You are absolutely right. Let me quote it for you, so that you understand the context:

"Harvard Business School working paper... differentiated a platform's openness/closedness by four aspects and gave example platforms".

Then, in the table you can see that in 2 out of 4 aspects Mac OS is a closed ecosystem according to the published research. I am astonished by Apple fanboys who cannot accept flaws in Mac OS, even if it's clearly explained by respectful independent researchers.

>In the parts of the table describing the ecosystem it has the word open in the rows for MacOS.

All four points describe the ecosystem, not just those which you choose. Again, quote: "differentiated a platform's openness/closedness by four aspects".

> All four points describe the ecosystem, not just those which you choose. Again, quote: "differentiated a platform's openness/closedness by four aspects".

The two on which Apple is rated as ‘open’ are the criteria which the article’s definition uses to determine whether a platform is a walled garden.

You are using a definition of walled garden to mean ‘any level of closedness’.

This is not what a walled garden means, and not what the article says.

If you want to use a private definition, by all means do so, but the article doesn’t have anything to do with your private definition.

For the third time - here is the definition from the article:

“A closed platform, walled garden, or closed ecosystem[1][2] is a software system wherein the carrier or service provider has control over applications, content, and media.”

The table shows that Mac OS is open when it comes to applications, content, and media.

The definition is clear, and Mac OS is not a walled garden by the definition. The table supports this conclusion.

Glued components are common and do not prevent repair - what has that got to go with anything?

An emulated VM obviously doesn’t allow a binary to escape the platform because of course you still need the platform, and the binary is still running on the platform so nothing has ‘escaped’.

As I say, your point is just about what hardware you want a license to run MacOS on, which is nothing to do with whether it is a walled garden.

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