Coronavirus Mutants Are Spreading Fast
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The model used by modern media is indefensible. It's the same with social media. Unprincipled and willing to do anything to attract viewership/engagement.
1. Consequence-less broadcasting of any speech (i.e., sympathizing with nazis and lying to vulnerable people about life-threatening illness).
2. Unfettered access to life-ending technology (guns)
3. Unwavering support for unborn lives.
Smh
Also, this response is the reason for the anon account. People on the internet are quick to categorize and demonize.
But COVID is not unique: people have been dying unnecessary deaths in this country for a long time, and have accelerated in recent years. Go read up on deaths of despair. Look at the rise in healthcare costs, or how unhealthy our food is. It's no wonder that a society of unhealthy, isolated, and stressed people are succumbing to a disease that kills those with suppressed immune systems.
>The reason for the large number of deaths in the US is not that Americans have suppressed immune systems, are stressed, or are otherwise unhealthy.
I disagree. And even if we were to stop COVID from killing so many, it's reckless to consider this as not a significant contributor to any unnecessary deaths. New variants of existing diseases are inevitable.
But there's no reason not to discuss China. It's the elephant in the room. A country of 1.4 billion people essentially ended community transmission and then opened up society again.
> I disagree.
There's nothing to disagree or agree about. The virus is not 500x more deadly in the US than in China. That's a fact, whether or not you agree. The overwhelming factor is simply the number of people who get infected in the first place.
Because I believe the current trajectory of society will place more than just my reputation at risk for expressing my thoughts. Make of that what you will.
Though sadly, the truth seems to benefit most when it is backed by the real or proverbial blood of martyrs.
Anonymity, and even pseudo anonymity, ensures free discourse.
Good ideas, no matter how unpopular, scary, or threatening to a power structure that could crush the commenter, rise to the top of most conversation formats with reliable regularity.
Yeah, it consisted of people with mental faculties that far exceed the minimum requirements of today's internet.
> If what you have to say isn't worth your reputation, then maybe you should think twice before spreading that same thought to real [and often vulnerable] people on the still-nascent internet.
And if you can't clearly explain your exception (ex. escaping local persecution), then the point stands.
Go out and ask random people what they think about the pandemic, and it's common that they think that they are at risk of death even if the data from the CDC demonstrates that they aren't. Heck, there are smart people on HN who can't assess risk particularly well.
When the media is constantly drumming COVID into everyone's heads while glossing over the fact that far fewer people are dying now, at the expense of other news items and at the ignorance of other epidemics killing people, yes, that's fear porn.
Mutated virus strains that are dramatically more virulent and possibly more deadly are scary. This is the virus evolving to better target its host. There’s nothing irrational about being concerned by that.
It’s true fewer people are dying right now, but it’s still thousands of people per day in the US and still hundreds a day here in the UK. Those are not good numbers. I’d love to know how the relatives of those thousands of people who died today would react to you saying they were not at significant risk.
If some of the current vaccines offer reduced protection against some of the new strains that’s a big deal that people need to be informed about.
Isn’t it rather to maximize viewership, clicks, and profit?
But I also don't imagine they had quite the same type of ruthless competition as today. So maybe we're all just products of our times.
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?geo=US&q=Covid%20mu...
But aside from that, let's not be so naive, eh? The media runs on sensationalism. The pandemic has been grossly mismanaged and there is absolutely no reason for the draconian lock down we're under. There hasn't been for 10 months. It was justifiable in the beginning because we didn't know what we were dealing with, but we have a much better grasp now and we know who is at risk to permit a much more fine-grained approach. Furthermore, much of the media fear mongering is driven by an ignorance of immunology and epidemiology. We have to remind ourselves that what we often "know" about the world beyond our own local lives is what we glean from the media filter. We should always approach that kind of knowledge with a bit of humility and caution. Journalists are not, shall we say, the creme-de-la-creme.
There's also the political angle. As Rahm Emanuel once said, you shouldn't let a crisis go to waste. There is a great deal to be made during a pandemic like this, monetarily, socially, politically, and otherwise, the so-called Great Reset[0] functioning as perhaps the paradigmatic example, whatever you happen to know or think of it.
Put yourself in the shoes of an ambitious but morally unscrupulous politician or billionaire. Would you so easily end the pandemic given the opportunities it presents, given how rare of an opportunity it poses for doing things you could not do under the usual circumstances? Even if you weren't quite sure what to do with it, you would at least have the instinct to know that the rarity of the situation merits careful consideration, though in this case, you would have had plenty of time to consider them (and frankly, think tanks are in the business of anticipating things; there are no doubt papers that describe how, if a certain set of circumstances were to emerge, certain political goals could be realized).
So yeah, announcing variants of COVID is fine per se, as long as such things are contextualized. The media is often an instrument of decontextualization which leads to confusion and poor judgement (just think about how they report scientific articles, not as one exchange in the cacophony of scientific publications, but as some Definitive Judgement of The Science!). At this point, I have no problem acknowledging the merit in the OP's quip, namely, not that we be cynical, but that it's high time we started employing some common sense instead of just drinking the media Koolaid.
Think of all the vaccines we're going to need!
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We should invest again in expanding production to guard against new mutants, so that if a shot to update our immunity is needed again, sufficiently large quantities can be produced very quickly. This may be tricky for companies, maybe another governmental aid would be necessary?
I think people are getting very weary of the pandemic, I certainly notice it. In germany it would be very hard to survive a summer or next winter in lockdown without people going craz in my opinion. I hope politicians are planning ahead.
Excuse me?
Are these more localized waves that wouldn't be apparent to an American not looking at more granular dashboards? What am I missing.
You can't coexist with something that kills you. Humans could choose to let viruses do their thing. Viruses can't choose to let humans do their thing.
Citation needed.
At some point we got so obsessed with extending the human existence we forgot how to live with the little time we've got.
60s is the new 40 sounds nice but really it's a sad state.
Epidemics only really became a thing once we started domesticating animals and therefore being around live animals for prolonged periods of time. This allowed germs originally adapted to these animals the opportunity to jump over to human hosts, for which they may be more dangerous than for the original host animal.
For more details on this point, I can recommend this video on why the native Americans were killed by diseases imported by the European conquerors, but the conquerors didn't bring any deadly diseases back to Europe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEYh5WACqEk
The well-being whole world is at stake, i hope we figure something out.
Also if the second dose increases the memory response could we be better off in the long run with a 1 dose initial vaccine?
I see only two viable outcomes. Either we do what I said above and accept a boring life for 3-9 months. Or Covid will continue to mutate and this will affect the world for years or longer, as vaccines need to be updated and populations need to be boosted with updated vaccines, whack-a-mole-style.
What about their visa expiring, them not being in their home country, them not having infinite unlimited free money to support themselves indefinitely in a country they have no right to work in?
What about having a severely ill relative? Funerals? Weddings?
There are over 40,000 Australians stranded around the world alone, and our population isn't that large. I was one of them until today.
Alot of people say what you said, when they really mean "I don't PERSONALLY" need to take any international flights.
I agree with Covid-zero as a policy. I do not agree with leaving a person stranded and stateless, or unable to travel for legitimate and important reasons.
And the vaccination is for all residents, including everyone in slums, shanty-towns, or some other form of less-well recognized housing. And irrespective of immigration status or availability of government-sanctioned ID documents,...
Not sure how we plan on quarantining the slums, though... It is hard enough for the US homeless population.
I have a strong background in public health, and am in general sympathetic to your position. I'd like to see good healthcare universally available, we (the human race) certainly can afford it, and it is hard for me to understand how we think we cannot afford it when you consider the potential costs of say avian influenza crossing to humans in some Cairo slum.
My point is only, and as you said, to remind us that this is a global problem. If we don't solve it for society's dispossessed, we haven't solved it.