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Japan's ruling party invites more women to meetings, as long as they don't talk

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Is this tech news?

I can see several items currently on the front page that have nothing to do with tech.

What's wrong with this one?

It has girl cooties.

Honest question... am I the only one who thinks this article isn’t appropriate for HN?

> On Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity.

I'm a good hacker (imo). I found this interesting, particularly because I was around during the 80s when US culture basically considered Japan to be an unstoppable machine. Watching the course of Japanese economic, social, and political history over the past 40 years certainly satisfies my intellectual curiousity.

Given the usual type of responses to these kind of articles, we probably need a whole lot more of them.

More articles supporting your viewpoint until your viewpoint is agreed by all? This is incredibly patronizing.

Can’t you think for a second that people can have a different opinion, and that doesn’t need to be somehow corrected/educated out, but just understood?

Viewpoint diversity matters. Not everyone believes in feminism, very decent people believe in different gender roles for men and women.

Honestly, I don’t agree that very decent people think it’s ok that women should not talk at meetings.

On the other hand, (some) feminists believe that each meeting should have 50% of women, regardless of merit.

This is also not very decent, in my opinion.

If someone judges a man/woman/anything based on superfluous characteristics, like colour of skin, gender etc. they are basic people. And they have nothing interesting to say, because they live in a simple world of black and white where premade categories 'solve' all of worlds complexities.

Go to flat earth people and try to understand them, you will only gain a brain aneurysm.

That’s a false comparison.

One can believe that men and women are equally worthy, while also observing that at the same time biological differences (testosterone) lead to behavioral differences.

The mere observation that there could be less than 50% women in tech, or in some business meeting because they might not be interested, does not deny women’s dignity.

Avg man run faster then average woman. That is obvious truism. All this transgender females competing with biological women is a farce.

But aren't we talking about intelligence and intellectual capabilities? Because there is no difference there. There was great articleI read few months back from math statistician on chess playerbase. Statistics on such lager dataset don't lie. Woman are as capable in chess even though its 'male' superior sport. Its just there is less of them in the player-base.

Not really true.

It’s widely accepted that the average intelligence is the same for male and women, but the variance is larger among men.

Of course women are capable in chess, and there are women capable of beating nearly everyone with extreme ease.

However, when looking and the very tail of the distribution, you will find mostly men due to the higher variance.

Hence, more men Nobel prizes, more man chess champions, etc...

I am not ruling out societal factors, but way too many people today rule out biological differences altogether!

LOL, you are arguing with facts. Good-luck in life with that approach.

here is the article[0], though you probably already made up your mind.

[0] https://en.chessbase.com/post/what-gender-gap-in-chess

The fact that men and women have the same average intelligence, but with different variance is very well documented in psychological literature. An extremely well established fact, no doubt about it!

Anyone who took Statistics 101 knows that these two distributions will show extreme differences at the tail, hence the large number of male Nobel laureates, chess champions, etc...

Who is arguing with facts?

> Who is arguing with facts?

You are since you didn't even read the darn article that states the opposite. But sure, keep believing in your well documented psychological literature.

I've asked myself how many Hacker News readers are female.

Maybe a related question is: would that make a difference to its appropriateness here?

Still don’t think it is. This article is about Japanese politics. I’m sure there are some hackers out there that have an interest in this but in the general case will just cause a flame war amongst bike shedders who have no strong interest in Japanese politics.

I think the main focus of the article is not "Japanese politics."

And even if it were, we've had articles about Japanese politics here before, and no one has complained.

Pigs and Chickens meeting standard taken to outrage bait?

That's not what this is. The former Prime Minister recently said that allowing women to talk in meetings made them last too long. The women invited to these meetings are allowed to have opinions about the discussion, just not share those opinions at the meeting itself.

That's very different than "we invited the TPM to stand-up, on the condition they just listen."

It was that statement -- by an 83-year-old former prime minister -- which triggered the controversy, according to CNBC.

"Yoshiro Mori, the head of the Tokyo 2020 Olympic organizing committee, resigned last week after derogatory comments about women speaking too much at meetings and making them too long triggered backlash at home and abroad."

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/17/japans-ruling-party-wants-mo...

This Wikipedia page explains the meaning of the "Pigs and Chickens" meeting standard.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chicken_and_the_Pig

"Outrage bait" is an editorial comment.

Is pigs and chicken meeting a set phrase? What does it mean?

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