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Daring Fireball - what a shock.

'If not for the existence and success of iOS, Nokia wouldn’t be in trouble..' If not for Nokia, iOS would never existed, touch screen phones would not have been invented.

If not for the competitiveness and success of Windows, Apple wouldn't have had to redesign itself. And now Windows is redesigning itself to compete. Apple didn't invent this stuff, they re-adapted existing technologies into a pioneering product. And now other companies are doing the same.

Gruber's points do not impact as much with such a thick layer of bias.

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If you think Gruber's biased in favor of Apple, just wait until you meet Steve Jobs.

I'm only half-joking. I mean the whole POINT of DF is that it's written from a very Apple-centric point of view. That doesn't mean lavishing uncritical praise on everything Apple does, while mindlessly heaping opprobrium on their competitors. What it DOES mean is cultivating a point-of-view that attempts to closely track the one held by Apple itself.

If Gruber says something is idiotic, what he means is "I think Apple thinks this is idiotic, and here's why."

Obviously, his insights aren't perfect. But given that Jobs & Co. don't blog, DF provides one of the more reliable guides as to what the folks in Cupertino are actually seeing and thinking. Its sustained success indicates that, all things considered, Gruber is doing a pretty solid job.

I have seen that, and I do like enthusiasts, and I have enjoyed DF before, but every now and then a little too much seethes through and I feel that the point of comparing Windows 8 to Mac OSX gets lost in the forest of praise for Apple.

I wanted to read DF's Apple-centric point of view, but couldn't get past the third paragraph.

Its difficult when you're independent of platforms and have to read literature written by those who are limited by their sole choice of one platform.

"Its difficult when you're independent of platforms and have to read literature written by those who are limited by their sole choice of one platform."

I couldn't agree more.

Don't bother posting such comments here, HN is known for having a whole bunch of Apple fanboys who will mercilessly mod down any valid criticism so that it's grayed out while fawning posts and posts critical of other companies get modded up to the sky. Notice how there is no other analysis of this news on the front page. They HAVE to feel justified about their choice and Gruber just tells them what they want to hear. There have been a few HN'ers who quit HN in disgust because of this cavaliier attitude. (bye bye karma)

If Gruber is biased toward the Apple way of doing things, maybe that's because iPad is currently the king of tablets, so they must be doing something right (especially after everyone mocked it as a giant iPod touch with a silly name).

Well, this article in particular has more biased based phrases than actual content, but I do see why people are so inclined towards Apple due to the success of the iPad.

And you are right, I had the same misconception of the iPad, now it is a common place name, and product that all CEO's must have.

I just desire that people not be so part of the -cult- of certain groups. My favourite are those who switch, Windows one day, Apple the next. I have a growing dislike for those who limit themselves.

But mostly, why am I bothering to comment at all. I'm just a cubicle worker. Its comments exactly like mine that I think pg and hackernews complain about when it comes to quality. Meh.

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