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Now the 2077 source is public, can we crowdsource the bug fixes?

I had one "I need to reload the game or else it won't work"-type of bug in 100 hours of gameplay. I have seen games that have been much much worse 4 years after the release than this game in it's current state.

Yes same here, no problems whatsoever. One instance of a guy dropping through a floor so I had to reload and lose 5 minutes. Awesome game :) The console owners weren't as thrilled though.

Most of the complaints were related to older console version (PS4, Xbox One). PC bugs were mostly solved rather quickly.

On PC, I had softlocks, hardlocks, being catapulted at the other side of the map after climbing up a pile of trash, T-posing enemies with disabled AI, dead bodies talking, and plenty, plenty more. Neither your experience or mine is more valid, simply that "it did/didn't happen to me" isn't a good defense.

Additionally, Cyberpunk is also being shat on for lacking mechanics or half-assing them. Cops being the more obvious one, or the complete lack of driving AIs.

Same, about 60 hours in, and while I only had one game breaking bug (can not finish a cyberpsycho mission because the body I'm meant to investigate dropped through the floor), physics and AI bugs (I got catapulted like you said about a dozen times, cars are notoriously terrible, I died from "falling" down a 20cm drop more than 20 times) are plentiful. I'd estimate I've had to reload a save between 5 and 10 times to continue progress. It hurts immersion badly, but as far as raw gameplay/shooting goes, I just beared with it, the game saves often enough that I rarely lost more than 5 minutes of progress.

Saying it's "hardly more bugs than most early access/new releases" is something that I've seen too often though. I'd be willing to assume my experience is way outside of the norm, if I didn't have a number of friends I played along with and that reported the exact same (sometimes worse) experience on PC.

On PC it looked to me like game softlocked in first hour of the gameplay. Didn't spend too much more time trying to get it work. If they can polish the first mission to be flawless I will give them lot more time and not with my money...

played 80 hours PC version, only crash was on the release version, about 10 minutes in. after that it was solid. not enough meat in the main story, but pretty excellent otherwise.

So I was constantly advocating for this game non-stop since I played about 30 hours without any major bugs and it worked fine. Then I got to a mission that I couldn't finish because it was telling me to get into a car at the end, and the car was always exploded and upside down. I played that mission 4 times every time with the same effect. Then I tried another mission and a very similar thing happened, couldn't finish it because the objective was inaccessible. I gave up at that point, I might come back to it in 6 months once it's in working state.

A streamer I watch did that mission.

I forget if it was right before or after the boss fight; in fact I think it was right after it but before the final plotline decision.

They were able to reload that and got better RNG the second time around. No idea what the actual odds of failure in it are.

That's a very low bar to clear, and there's a lot of glitches that ruin the gameplay without requiring reloading or preventing mission completion.

Right, but your experience is rather different from that of many players, especially console players.

I played it on PS4 and while I mostly able to enjoy the game with only minor issues, there definitely were many issues and I could imagine some people aren't as tolerant towards bugs as I was for a game they paid full price for.

My experience has been roughly this: every 4 hours, the game crashes. Guaranteed. Luckily I haven't lost more than a few minutes of gameplay, between auto saves and just saving very regularly. I have a lot of bugs related to content not loading in quickly enough: eg I can pass through objects/people (including doors!) before they load properly. This has occasionally meant I got into a place I shouldn't have causing me to have to reload (eg one mission you were meant to interact with the doorbell, but I glitched into the building by passing through the not-yet loaded door. Now I was stuck because the doorbell triggered the next part of the mission and I was now behind a closed door. I had to reload). I have experienced tons of audio glitches (subtitles not disappearing, audio playing on top of other audio especially multiple phone messages, etc). I have experienced tons of physics glitches, floating people/objects/cars. I've had at least one mission where a door wouldn't open (I actually "fixed" this by glitching through the door and opening it from the inside... I checked online and yes, it was definitely meant to open from the outside). I've experienced lots of times where things just weren't there and eventually loaded in and just appeared: objects, people, items people were holding (eg guitarists), cars.

I've also seen bugs other people have hit: lots of physics and animation issues (eg T poses, I haven't personally experienced many of those), corrupted saves, missions that couldn't be completed, performance issues much worse than what I've noticed (mine mostly plays well enough).

So, count yourself lucky that you only had one bug where you had to reload!

Even with the bugs I hit, I still enjoyed the game a lot, and didn't have it as bad as what many people report.

It's not a given that the hacker will even release the source code.

With the ransom threat rebuffed publicly, they might not be bothered to actually distribute the files, or they might choose to keep them privately for bragging rights.

And then it's entirely possible the source code might not be in a compilable state without lots of work.

But the biggest problems are the copyright issues. CDPR will be well within their rights to go after anyone publishing unofficial builds of the source code.

> publishing unofficial builds of the source code

You could patch installed files and/or at runtime, no? With patches being wholly original work?

I'm not actually sure how IP law works for something like that.

Presumably antything based in stolen IP is tainted.

Not an exact analogy, but if you translate a copyrighted piece of work, you own the copyright to the translation, but cannot e.g. publish that without the original work’s copyright holder’s consent.

IANAL, but things are complicated. even if you're patching on the fly with original work, you could theoretically find yourself violating a user agreement against reverse engineering, etc. i think it's utter rubbish, but that seems to be the world we find ourselves in.

To add to the complications, many countries have laws (or case law) which disable any anti-RE clauses in EULAs.

I heard it was better already, like key issues addressed

the key issue is that they'll never reach a decent playing experience on some of the platforms they've released on: PS4 & Xbone.

The game doesn't crash that much on PCs and recent consoles. It is unplayable on base PS4 and Xbox One. They manage to add in softlocks in the main story with bugfix patches though. But even then, it remains a very average game.

The biggest problem is not even the bugs. It is that the game isn't in the state that is anywhere near to release quality. There are whole classes of AI and physics interaction missing.It still needs tremendous amount of work which hasn't been done.

I wonder how annoying it is to compile, and how long it takes.

I'm kind of curious too, but it can't be worse than building Windows VMWare

If the code is released then CDPR could obtain it as well. So why pay the ransom?

The threat in a hostage situation is not “give me money or I release a hostage.”

They do say in the ransom note that "we understand you can most likely recover from backups", so it seems the encryption was expected to be nothing more than an inconvenience, and the extortion of releasing their documents and source trees publicly is the main ransom subject, not denying them access.

But selling or leaking the source code is exactly the threat used in the email as seen in the screenshot image on the linked the Twitter post.

It isn't the CP2077 source.

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