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Rise in Attacks on Elderly Asian Americans in Bay Area

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The DA, Chesa Boudin, put arrested criminals back on the streets with ultra-lenient policy, and this is the result

https://abc7news.com/car-crash-san-francisco-lake-merced-sta...

https://www.ktvu.com/news/family-of-84-year-old-killed-in-sf...

https://abc7news.com/shocking-video-shows-man-pushed-to-grou...

https://www.change.org/p/sfda-chesa-boudin-refused-to-resign...

https://www.recallchesa.org/

Can you give any causative evidence to this rather than correlational evidence?

The first link describes a person who was previously arrested Dec 20, 2020 for driving a stolen vehicle, DUI, and driving without a license. Just a few weeks later, the person was out and about, stealing other cars and hurting/killing people. This is about as causal as evidence can get that the lenient policies are resulting in bad outcomes.

Lenient policies around supporting people or incarcerating people?

A single incident isn't causative evidence. A random trend without at least attempting to isolate other variables isn't causative evidence.

In your above post, which I was replying to, you asked for "any causative evidence". I was pointing out that the OP did provide evidence that creates an undeniable causal link between the lenient policies and a subsequent crime in which someone was killed.

This doesn't prove that all, or even most, of the crime in SF is caused by the DA's policies. But it clearly establishes that some of the crime is causally linked to the policies, and this is what troubles SF residents.

I was in that clown Court few years back. Woman had done hard drugs had her kids in the backseat of the car sideswiped cars on a Street while OVI $150,000 worth of damage. Judge States she's a mom and can't be punished let's her go with some sort of addiction class. Says she'll have to be back in court to figure out reparations.

I don't have an opinion on Chea Boudin, but I have yet to see an detailed article that compares SF and other major cities crime rate in the past year . Crime is up nationally.

Maybe there is one but generally its like here this crime, must be Boudin's fault, without real analysis.

Recently I've started thinking that some people have this unconsious uncomfortable feeling with the current society and how domesticated or perhaps over-socialized people have become, and that the solution they are reaching for without realizing it is to invert the common mantra into "crime should pay".

What a fun article of where we are.

No names are provided in the article of perpetrators, so those in the know know the race that shall not be named, example is the rail line actively saying they will do this.

An existing issue already exists between the race that shall not be named and Asian-Americans, see Jesse Jackson in New York or LA riots. Then me having to explain to Asian American colleague why their other Asian American colleagues will not walk in certain neighborhoods for fear of being attacked by race that shall not be named.

Then the article pins this new found increase in attacks (which have been a problem for this entire time, but now and only now because it fits the narrative) on a term used to pin this on the Chinese who actively sought to suppress the news of its spread. The Chinese government is actively involved with media blitzes to try and move the blame away from their ineptitude.

So, an existing problem is pinned to an imaginary issue to obfuscate a country screwing up. How do the CNN reporters look themselves in the mirror you may ask, because they repeat the journalist mantra: for the greater good, no matter the lies.

This is an absurd.

[1] - https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Black-attacks-on-Asians-...

It is not about covid.

Sometimes people Do belong in prison, not all people can live free.

Perhaps the US needs something like the German Pressekodex to regulate how minorities are mentioned in the news. Auto-translated from German:

Directive 12.1 – Reporting on criminal offences

In the reporting of criminal offences, care must be taken to ensure that the mention of the affiliation of suspects or perpetrators to ethnic, religious or other minorities does not lead to a discriminatory generalisation of individual misconduct. As a rule, affiliation should not be mentioned, unless there is a well-founded public interest. It should be noted in particular that the mention could fuel prejudice against minorities.

https://www.presserat.de/files/presserat/dokumente/pressekod...

Ignoring a societal problem and mandating that the press boycott reporting on it sounds like a very ineffective strategy for actually improving the situation.

Look I do get it your good intentions.

But it will just make more problems.

If the reality hurt my feelings or others it is not reality that should be bent.

We need to be able to say and call it:

"HeY xxx group we have a problem, a long standing problem. We need to change our culture and start shaming people who does X or Z. We can't Protect anyone just because they are "our" tribe. Neither we can blame it for things done by other tribes centuries ago."

While we don't talk serious and frank we will be always around the issue. Every ten years we will have some new term to avoid this discussion.

I am a minority and my "group" was know for "scams" and troubles. It got so bad people like me avoided to speak our native language. The community started to exclude the bad apples. And suddenly the bad apples did not have more "contacts" or networks and started to "adjust" or go back to our country.

We need to pursue and be able to say the truth. And we need to shame this bad behavior.

As *today* one friend of mine did a instagram video saying that she is not Afro-american. That she is Haitian. That is an indirect call.

We non-whites already shame ourselves, the others and the people back home. I need the good Afro-americans leaders and celebreties to shame the bad apples and not only appear when it is to blame white people.

You said you understand the intention, but then said that the intention is to avoid hurting feelings. You let reason slide for a moment to get an antagonistic jab in there.

> "HeY xxx group we have a problem, a long standing problem. We need to change our culture and start shaming people who does X or Z. We can't Protect anyone just because they are "our" tribe. Neither we can blame it for things done by other tribes centuries ago."

If you have any interest in being accurate in your view of American history, may I recommend one of my favorites, What Hath God Wraught - The Transformation of America, 1815 - 1848 by Howe published by Oxford Press, really a great series to be honest.

Also quick math tells me 1868 was 153 years ago versus a couple of centuries. My dad was born in 1930's. His father, my grandfather was born in the 1880's. Do you know your grandparents or great grandparents. If they lived in the US they saw some violent, normalized behavior on a level and duration unprecedented in human history.

Your identification of the longstanding problem and your proposed solution seems, racist, because you blame people and policies for shortcomings.

"If you have any interest in being accurate in your view of American history, may I recommend one of my favorites, What Hath God Wraught - The Transformation of America, 1815 - 1848 by Howe published by Oxford Press, really a great series to be honest."

Accurate or the one that fit your bias?

"Also quick math tells me 1868 was 153 years ago versus a couple of centuries. My dad was born in 1930's. His father, my grandfather was born in the 1880's. Do you know your grandparents or great grandparents. If they lived in the US they saw some violent, normalized behavior on a level and duration unprecedented in human history."

ahem 1853 -> 19th Century.

Yes my father was in 1945 and grandpa in 1920 and grand grandpa in 1880s.

They were brought as slaves and they lived as slaves. There are horror stories in the family.

But none of my brothers, cousins or uncles are knocking old people.

Yes we have the felon uncle but no family is perfect.

"Your identification of the longstanding problem and your proposed solution seems, racist, because you blame people and policies for shortcomings. "

I did not provide any solution but is very hard to think an old Thai guy was involved in slave trade.

Be aware we Non-Whites we don't have the need to virtue signaling we just see the reality.

We need to give more voice to people like Thomas Sowell. Do we consider a group of able to have an agency and solve its own problem or we keep them managed?

I still think they have agency.

And I am still waiting for "celebrities" cry about this bad behavior.

> And I am still waiting for "celebrities" cry about this bad behavior.

They are. Google Colin Kaepernick.

Is he kneeling to the Asians?

Sorry I missed that!

<Be aware we Non-Whites we don't have the need to virtue signaling we just see the reality.

My family immigrated here from Mexico we literally had nothing and have risen to some of the highest peaks of usa society. It took hard work which is the complete opposite of what social justice warriors want. white people in this country are about the laziest I've ever seen out of anywhere I've ever been. The most privileged people I have ever seen armchair keyboard social justice warriors. They never traveled anywhere besides a secure resort by themselves, they never done anything by themselves, and don't know how the whole world works.

What's really laughable about this country is the whites have the power to help other minority groups like The blacks and erase the ghettos but the whites are too ignorant and arrogant to even accept that there's a problem too afraid to even talk about it because "it's racist"

Have you visited Germany lately it's extremely dangerous for ethnic and minority reasons complete crap hole compared to what it was before they took down that damn wall I'm telling you if they left that wall up the whole country would have been better

I moved back to Texas from California because of the racism against Asians that I experienced in the Bay Area. Texas is obviously not without its racism problems, but I think it's a lot easier to Asian American here.

Can I ask where you lived in the Bay Area, and what types of racism you experienced or witnessed? Was it in work environments or just out on the street?

I lived in in SF (Soma) and the East Bay (Livermore and Pleasanton). Both places were bad. My white coworkers and neighbors would say bad things about Vietnamese and Chinese people. My wife and I were verbally harassed by random people on the streets of SF. It wasn't a daily thing, but it was enough to make us leave and never want to go back.

A friend of mine married an Asian women. They ended up moving to Westchester, outside of NYC, to escape racism where they were. This was pre-COVID though.

At least one researcher in our lab is heading back to China citing rising hostility towards them as the reason. This is really sad.

Why did this get flagged? Seems like a legitimate topic of discussion.

because it failed the target narrative.

If the article/narrative is not successful it is flagged.

I did a combo breaker in time.

I've found the model-minority myth to be toxic in so many ways. Here's one thing I can attest to personally: we're not all East Asians. I grew up in section-8 housing, then moved next to a meth house raided by the FBI, attended vocational schools in the inner city where I had friends killed and imprisoned, personally had a gun pointed at me, twice, slept on a sofa my entire childhood, in a dysfunctional bankrupt abusive family. I'm also a first-generation immigrant and political refugee, with my dad having spent half a decade in a hard-labor camp, my mom homeless and nurturing my brother with only rice water, who has since died of a rare digestive cancer, and our assets decapitalized by communists multiple times.

Eventually, I ended up at Google and for all the talks of diversity, inclusion and "unconscious bias", people from my background are left out of the conversation. I've found the worst perpetrators of the Unconscious Bias to be Asian-Americans. It's hard believing we can be stewards of "we are not our users" when we can barely understand we are not our colleagues, who aren't all from privileged middle class backgrounds who had their parents pay for SAT prep classes. It's really ironic because these people tend to be the loudest about calling out privilege.

Last month, I left behind the high-flying salaries and moved to Japan. The quality of life here is so much higher, even though my income is 1/4th as much. Practically everyone wears a mask and there's just a higher level of regard for society at large. Basket-of-goods analysis don't account for being triggered by people refusing to wear masks in New York. Mind you, I've spent 90% of my life in the states and have considered myself American, first and foremost. 2020 really made me reassess my identity as an Asian-American and the place of Asian-Americans in America. Without going further into the hypocrisy of politics, Asians are just a politically inconvenient truth.

What is happening in the Bay Area is happening in New York, where I lived, too. 90% of my friends have experienced harassment passively, aggressively, and in a few instances violently. There was the 89 year old woman set on fire [1]. Then there was the woman who had acid thrown on her [2]. NYC governance threw together a hate-crime Task force, but I'm cynical it has accomplished anything other than trying to fundraise. Bill De Blasio has literally turned his back on Asian business owners after showing up for the photo op [3]. People barely realize the poverty rate of Asian-Americans in New York City hover around 25% [4].

[1] https://abc7ny.com/woman-set-on-fire-elderly-attack-89-year-...

[2] https://nypost.com/2020/04/06/brooklyn-woman-burned-outside-...

[3] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/bill-de-bl...

[4] https://www1.nyc.gov/site/opportunity/news/004/some-good-new...

So you went from high diverse place to one of most NON diverse place and you are happy? [1]

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_ranked_by_et...

This response is the kind of western politically correct arrogance that I left the states for.

People don't get violently attacked here by virtue of being Asian, so yes, I feel safer. Happiness wise, there is a multitude of reasons New York City is an inferior megacity in terms of convenience and quality of life. I've been to 80% of the restaurants in Manhattan and a hundred michelin star restaurants, I personally don't think the food in New York City is that great, especially with ethnic food being gentrified out.

As for diversity, I attended a public school with 25% blacks, 20% latinx, 25% Asians, and whites were less than 30%, so thanks for the snarkiness. There is not fundamentally any problem with this diversity.

The diversity in NYC however is a matter of tolerance, not in the good sense of the word. During normal times this masked because everyone is so busy, but Asian communities still experience segregation.

I lived in 8 different neighborhoods in NYC including Queens, Brooklyn, and Manhattan. Have you lived in NYC or a megacity in Asia or are you armchair philosophizing what it's like to actually live in a place?

> As for diversity, I attended a public school with 25% blacks, 20% latinx, 25% Asians, and whites were less than 30%, so thanks for the snarkiness. There is not fundamentally any problem with this diversity.

This is the great lie gated-community white progressives repeat. There's "no problem with diversity"..

Diversity is noble but it's not problem free. It is difficult. Daily interactions with different people, classes, cultures creates friction and paper cuts that wouldn't be there otherwise. The more diverse, especially with large population sizes, the harder it is.

I didn’t realize the OP was being ironic instead of snarky.

:) it is ok.

We do agree and understand the problem.

At the risk of kicking a hornets nest...keep in mind that in SF 1 in every 3 people is Asian. Anything with race CNN will automatically push it.

It's not CNN, CNN are late to the party. This has been going on for a while, and the asian "community" has been talking about this before mainstream media picked it up. So there.

The /r/Oakland sub has been tracking it to some extent, some of the video is heartbreaking.

That subreddit is censoring all posts about this issue.

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