New 10 Terapixel Image of the Night Sky Contains 1B Galaxies
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Interesting that they did this with Julia, with 83% of instructions being AVX-512 (if I'm reading it correctly).
Does anyone know if Julia's GPU capabilities could have been leveraged on say a cluster of NVIDIA A100/V100?
When I spent (a relatively small amount of) time working with one this was the main thing the director drilled into my head. Use it to solve large, parallel problems that require lots of intranode communication of intermediate results. Embarrassingly parallel problems can be solved on cheaper hardware like GPUs.
Pick a region at random. Zoom in, scroll a little, zoom in, scroll a little, repeat until you find a galaxy. There. You're likely the only human who has ever seen it and all the wonders it may contain. It's yours to hold. That's your little galaxy.
With sound.
(I'm totally faking knowing the tool though that's what comes up when I klick it with show galaxies active)
I think I remember reading about the latest and greatest direct measurement of stellar distances, and how it's a huge number of stars but a very small radius relative to our whole galaxy. And of course there's all the dust and stuff in the way of viewing. So my belief is that what I want is impossible, but I think I have heard that we're fairly certain our galaxy is a barred spiral?
I have no sense of how much of the Galaxy it maps, but I know it's crucial for distance ladder measures because it will constrain the distance to the large Magellanic cloud better than ever before, so I think it's measuring individual stars at that range
Doing astrometry and proper motion measurements for more stars than ever before, very cool
For bright stars, Gaia can measure parallaxes (and therefore distances) throughout a sizeable fraction of the Milky Way. But the fainter the star is, the closer it has to be for Gaia to measure its parallax. The other issue is that there's dust that obscures much of the Galaxy, limiting the range that Gaia can see to. If you take all these effects into account, you find that Gaia can "only" measure parallaxes for about 1% of the stars in the Milky Way. Still, that's orders of magnitude more stars than had parallaxes just a few years ago.
2. Can gravitation lensing work in a daisy chain fashion by having multiple galaxies positioned ever so precisely to cause the light from our galaxy to travel in a semi-circle arc back to us?
2) Kinda maybe https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/52167/since-ther...
2. See 1.
Regarding the first question why can't there be a planet let's say in Andromeda with a lake that would reflect back the light from our galaxy? That's only 2.5 million lightyears x 2.
[0] https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/52167/since-ther...
An early version of this work with a gallery of objects that might match what the Milky Way looks like (given all the observational uncertainties) is discussed at https://www.news.pitt.edu/milkywaycolor .
A couple of the resulting scientific papers are at https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2015ApJ...809...96L/abstra... and https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2016ApJ...833..220L/abstra... and
Anecdotally, the first time I saw the Milky Way with my bare eyes was almost a religious experience.
I think the expression you might be looking for is "a contemplative state".
I took my kid camping in Joshua Tree last year and we spent a lot of time just taking in all the stars and waving at the occasional satellite zipping overhead. If someone's never done this, I cannot possibly over-recommend it.
Anyway, yours is a beautiful comment
http://leda.univ-lyon1.fr/ledacat.cgi?o=PGC46727
I clicked the bright objects on the right and then Siena Galaxy Atlas.
There are a billion galaxies.
So roughly 2^30 galaxies.
Thus, there would be a 50% chance of collision after roughly 2^15 or 30,000 people picked a galaxy.
Could you elaborate?
The basic idea is simple enough: if you have a random collection of people, and keep adding more, eventually 2 of them will have the same birthday. If you run that experiment a bunch of times, eventually you’ll get the average number of people where there’s a 50% chance of having a “collision”. The surprising part is that the number is so small: in this case, it’s 23.
When you're handing out 250 pieces of string it's easy to tell that something with a 1/365 chance per string is likely.
For this situation, if you put 50 thousand people in a room then they each have 50 thousand ways to pair up, so you're looking at over a billion opportunities to have a one-in-a-billion coincidence. (50k * 50k / 2 = 1.25 billion)
The chance of you having a collision at that point is still about 2^-15.
And how many people do you expect to follow these directions, anyway?
This one's mine: https://viewer.legacysurvey.org/?ra=165.0972&dec=28.9753&lay...
Here's mine: https://viewer.legacysurvey.org/?ra=95.9367&dec=-52.7034&lay...
It's not a galaxy so much as a hyper-dimensional string wormhole network nexus created by one of the most advanced races in the cosmos.
This one right under it is also neat: https://viewer.legacysurvey.org/?ra=148.7892&dec=69.0730&lay...
https://viewer.legacysurvey.org/?ra=264.9876&dec=74.0333&lay...
Another one: two feeding off each other: https://viewer.legacysurvey.org//?ra=187.6434&dec=41.6737&la...
I like mine too: https://viewer.legacysurvey.org/?ra=25.0865&dec=9.8563&layer...
It is a "starburst galaxy" which means it is undergoing a lot of intense star formation, I think that's why it has pretty colours from all the gas clouds and activity: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starburst_galaxy
This one ^^^ is curious. Kinda looks like it's burning. (I know, all are burning, but whatever.)
https://viewer.legacysurvey.org/?ra=346.0946&dec=-4.8791&lay...
https://viewer.legacysurvey.org/?ra=32.2993&dec=-43.5177&lay...
Though seems like an artifact for me.
There are 4 or 5 stars in hubble ultra deep field and 10000 galaxies.
Here is what I found : https://viewer.legacysurvey.org/?ra=147.3584&dec=53.5565&lay...
I wonder what kind of astronomical object it is. Given the color, the term red dwarf pop in my head, but I actually have no idea: given red shift, aren’t all sufficiently distant objects all red or bellow by the time they arrive at us?
https://viewer.legacysurvey.org/?ra=165.1234&dec=28.9911&lay...
https://viewer.legacysurvey.org/?ra=167.4707&dec=24.2626&lay...
Go to Google maps and zoom out as much as possible. The bottom right hand corner should display a line measuring 1000 miles. Then zoom in so that the line measures 1 mile.
This is the same as zooming out on this map so to 30 degrees, then zooming in to 100 arcsec.
Google maps can zoom in a bit more to 20ft, but it's still impressive.
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/are-there-more-grains-of...
> It is ironic that transistors are (kind of) made of sand too.
Shouldn't we have run out of sand years ago?
Also it doesn't have to be sand, exactly, and more than half the earth's crust is silica.
But more importantly, that number is very wrong. https://web.archive.org/web/20150310025854/http://www.hawaii...
Leaving aside the issue of whether 1mm cubed is a good estimate for an 'average' grain, this is only an estimate of beach sand. Also it seems to be underestimating shore length by a lot, 200 million meters when other sources say 1.2 or 1.6 billion meters.
His estimate for beach surface area is 6000 square kilometers.
The sahara alone is 9 million square kilometers, with sand much deeper too. The first estimate I see, just for that one desert, is 1.5e24 grains of sand.
Another way to look at it is that we apparently use 50 billion tons of sand per year. That's less than a thousand square kilometers worth of sahara. And making 10^22 transistors with 2012 tech would take only 750 thousand tons of sand.
We might in principle be able to see beyond the surface of last scattering using ultracold neutrino or ultra-low-frequency gravitational radiation astronomy some decades from now, but that just gives us a view of the universe before there were molecules (let alone stars and galaxies), and we could only surmise that what we see at such a huge redshift evolved into the sorts of things (galaxies, stars) close to here-and-now. That might justify a "as far as we know" comment like yours; for now, however, it is better to say that we really just don't know because we don't have nearly enough data yet.
Unless there is a violation of Lorentz invariance available to us very near hear-and-now, there is no hope of seeing long distances at our scale factor (which is a spacelike hypersurface in the standard cosmology's comoving frame, which means essentially that it's a collection of things all at the same "time", but that's coordinate time, and in this case the scale factor is the coordinate). Consequently we can't even be certain about highly-redshifted galaxies' fates at a(t)=1. To be sure would need to outrun the metric expansion of space, or equivalently, we would have to move much more quickly towards a cosmologically-redshifted source of the fastest known messengers than those relativistic neutrinos, photons, or gravitational waves that it emits have been moving towards us. There is an enormous amount of indirect evidence that shows that nothing observable moves like that, and plenty of direct tests of the relevant part of the equivalence principle that require Local local invariance everywhere in the universe since the electroweak epoch moments after the hot big bang.
So while most astrophysicists and physical cosmologists would bet that that there is physics like ours at great distances, including "just one metre, or just one megaparsec" (or even much further) outside our Hubble volume, there is no honest way to assign a probability of that being correct at this time. We can only say that it is consistent with the data we have on cosmic inflation (mainly from the cosmic microwave background's inhomogeneities), and it is exceptionally hard to produce a consistent theory allowing for very different physics just beyond the farthest galaxies we can see, yet still match the overwhelming majority of the data we have collected.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scale_factor_%28cosmology%29
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Particle_horizon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_searches_for_Lorentz_vi...
So, the tl;dr is that wondering about what's outside the observable universe might be fun, but it's not scientific because any hypotheses one might generate can never be verified by observation, even in principle, by the very definition of "observable universe". At best we can only hope that the observable universe is bigger than we think today (e.g. by a very surprising resolution to the tensions in the cosmic-distance ladders, by the discovery of wormholes and comparable topological "defects" in the universe, or by the discovery of faster-than-light travel). I happen to hope some of that, but have no honest basis for that hope.
[1] https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/09/02/earth-three-tr...
Or, I suppose 3) a sort of mediocre level of significance.
Damn.
"Mostly Harmless".
Another article is https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/a-billion-galaxies-lurk-in-a-1...
The FAQ is here: https://djschlegel.wordpress.com/faq-legacy-survey-sky-image...
I actually don't have words to describe this feeling, not in any language I know. It's simply incredible!
I literally felt it, lived it, it still bugs me after many years.
I'm not 100% certain but it seems like this may be an example of severe gravitational lensing, causing the same galaxy to appear as multiple images in different periods of time
EDIT: Update link
But that does look like a small group/cluster.
Edit: Here is an example of strong lensing - see the very curved object just below the bottom bright galaxy https://viewer.legacysurvey.org/?ra=39.9717&dec=-1.5822&laye... This is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abell_370
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation#Current_estimat...
So at a rate of 40 billion earth like planets in each galaxy. Deep field from Hubble turned up 125 billion galaxies. 125 billion * 40 billion = 5e+21
That means that over billions of years there is allot of time for life creation and death within the universe.
https://phys.org/news/2017-01-universe-trillion-galaxies.htm...
How can we be confident of that? For all we know the Cambrian explosion was precisely that.
Fermi-paradox is paradox for a reason!
The Fermi paradox is just a way to have fun at parties (or over the internet, especially on HN). There are so many possible solutions to the Fermi paradox. But each solution has questions, and answers, and more questions and more answers. That's why it's so fun.
But it's not that deep.
To the point, the Dyson swarm is virtually guaranteed to not be used by any advanced civilization. Once a civilization tames nuclear fusion (and we are on the brink of doing so), then harnessing the energy produced by the local star via a bunch of solar panels becomes just a clunky way of getting energy. Controlled nuclear fusion can be many, many orders of magnitude more productive and convenient compared to solar energy. A star is indeed a massive fusion reactor, but it's a very slow one. Our Sun in particular produces about as much energy per pounds as the heat produced by the fermentation of manure. ITER is projected to produce hundreds of millions of time more. And ITER is just the beginning. Sure, the Sun contains most of the matter in the solar system, but plenty exists in the planets. We could use hydrogen stripped from Jupiter to produce trillions of times more power than a Dyson swarm could produce, and we can have that in a portable form that we could take with us in interstellar travels.
Bottom line, whoever is looking to find Dyson spheres out there in the sky, is simply wasting time.
It seems that constructing Dyson Spheres can only add to the amount of energy that an advanced civilisation is capable of harnessing even if they're also using controlled fusion, so it wouldn't be surprising if they used those unless their energy needs were totally satiated by controlled fusion (or some as yet undiscovered alternative source)
Also, yes you dont have to look for Dyson spheres but you'll agree that Sun has 99.9% of the mass of solar system so it would make sense to turn to it after you have 'used up' Jupiter. And yes you can extract mass out of a Star with currently know physics, its just big project. THAT should be visible from far away.
ultimately I doubt there is any stealth for cloaking a type-II civ so whats the best bet? you go the other way & expand as fast as possible. But either way we would have noticed .. at least close to our galactic cluster.
However, when people sit around and think about the possibilities of alien life, or rather - the probability that alien life exists outside of Earth, it's *100%* relevant to consider galaxies outside our own.
I'm also cautious to jump to such conclusions given how nascent we are technologically, even though the light speed barrier does seem absolute. Our recent ancestors probably would've thought a similar thing about life orbiting a nearby star, and it's only with the hindsight of recent advances that we're able to conclude that that's not as far out of our reach as once believed. Who knows what one million years of additional technological advances will make us capable of?
https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/a-billion-galaxies-lurk-in-a-1...
Probably should change the link to that
Having to parse a bunch of text to find a tiny link at the bottom of that page kinda takes something away.
In order to get better resolution, you need to put your telescope at a better site (on a higher, drier mountain with a more laminar airflow; or in space), or you need adaptive optics (which limits your field of view, making it unsuited to large surveys of the sky like this).
The newer version is here: https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/zookeeper/galaxy-zoo/
I worked on a model that could do this last year:
Paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/1904.10286
7.6 gigapixel image: https://star.herts.ac.uk/~jgeach/gdf
IR, red, and orange. In case anyone else zoomed in, saw odd colors, and wondered.
Anyone have suggestions for an HDR or zoomable synthetic field that's visually realistic? Last week I was exploring a try-to-stay-motivated covid project of an "if they're lots of stars, why can't I see them?" educational web app. Basically a horizon+sky slice with sliders for ambient light level (day to night to beyond inner solar system dust scatter) and for exposure (pupil narrow to dilated to dark adapted to hubble at pluto), and presets. Synthetic permits optimizing for pedagogy, and avoids issues around selecting some real region. Might be useful when teaching light pollution. I'd like it for an exploratory atoms-up early-primary learning progression variant emphasizing nuclei, thus nucleosynthesis, and a "I've seen skies of stars in video, but stars are almost absent from my lived experience" challenge. Collaboration welcome. :)
The incredible vastness of the universe means it's incredibly unlikely we're the only intelligent civilization in existence. But the incredible size of the universe also means that any radio signals being emitted by said civilizations haven't reached us, and even if they did, they'd be so weak they'd just be background noise.
A picture with 1 billion galaxies...each with millions of stars...each potentially with any number of planets...it just seems really unlikely that we're the only ones out there.
But even if we somehow proved another civilization exists, outside of the knowledge that we're not alone, it'd be meaningless. They're way too far away to observe, let alone communicate with.
Almost half a trillion in the case of Milky Way.
It's hard to quantify the chances of life existing anywhere else at the same time as us when we don't have any idea of how it came to exist in the first place. We might be the exception, we might not. You can't just make the connection: "billion of stars" = "we're not alone". I don't pretend to know what's "likely" on a universal scale and I don't think anyone should
Considering that the building blocks of life have been detected on random asteroids arriving on planet earth (https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/goddard/2019/sugars-in-me...), and the capacity for intelligence to evolve in distinct branches of our own DNA (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14668), I personally think it’s hard to say that in all likelihood we’re alone.
And we haven't found any.
> I personally think it’s hard to say that in all likelihood we’re alone.
We simply have no idea. None of our model work at that scale, especially not our intuition or our "statistical" models (we have 1 data point, and it mostly is incomplete). It's like looking at an enormous pile of snow and saying "there must be gold in there, my friend found gold while digging in africa, surely this pile of snow is big enough to contain at least a bit gold".
I wouldn't be surprised if life evolved somewhere else, maybe hundreds of time (either in the past, present or in the future), I just don't see how you can claim with absolute certainty that it happened and that we're not alone.
Saying with absolute certainty that we're not alone is a guess, just like saying we're certainly alone, we don't have the tools to determine it. If someone shows me an advanced math equation and ask me to solve it I'd say "I don't have the tools" not "it's probably 2"
My point is, there are likely millions or even billions of planets in that photograph alone, with the perfect conditions for sustaining human life.
I can’t say with certainty that there is life, but by God would it surprise me if there weren’t.
Of course, nobody has specific evidence either way, this is all guesses through Bayesian reasoning (Anders Sandberg has a paper arguing the opposite to my above guess, along Bayesian lines). But no evidence is distinct from no information.
The aliens, they are extremely far away. Probably not even their light can ever reach our "known universe".
They also are alone.
Space is big.
On the other hand, it took billions of years for complex multi-cellular life to evolve. The Cambrian explosion was just 541 million years ago and quickly resulted in intelligence on branches as disparate as mammals and cephalopods.
I think it's quite possible that the Cambrian is the rare and special thing and that the universe may be teaming with microbes but not fish.
It takes so long to move, that civilizations may go extinct with no evidence of their existence if we left today to visit.
Those links to further information contain so much additional data, that it left me really surprised how deeply surveyed the sky is, how much work has been put into mapping and categorizing the sky.
I'm baffled.
Sorry for the rant.
https://viewer.legacysurvey.org/?ra=184.7252&dec=47.3225&lay...
when you are signed in, you get the option to add overlays, where the "NGC/IC galaxies"-overlay gives you a link to this page:
http://simbad.u-strasbg.fr/simbad/sim-basic?Ident=NGC+4258
which embeds this image
http://aladin.u-strasbg.fr/AladinLite/?target=M%20106&fov=0....
"Just works" for me, with no sign in.
m51 is worth a visit.
Messier objects: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messier_object#/media/File:All...
[1] not including the microwave background radiation
Not to say you're wrong about anything, I simply didn't get it
edit: grammar
The patterns it sees are real, and very cool.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilkinson_Microwave_Anisotropy...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy_filament
with a concrete rendering at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Void_(astronomy)#/media/File:S...
and some more at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observable_universe#Walls,_fil...
These filamentary luminous matter distributions (and the sparse, dark, cold voids between them) drive our theories of structure formation:
https://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/universe/bb_cosmo_struct.html
There are some patterns at scales of up to a few tens of megaparsecs, but beyond that matter is for all practical purposes homogeneous and isotropic: with a good enough (infrared- or radio-) telescope you will observe a galaxy or a precursor along every line of sight unobscured by objects within our own galaxy, and only the reddening and dimming from the metric expansion of space permits any darkness at all in our sky.
This is important to the standard mode of cosmology, \Lambda-CDM, which relies on Friedmann equations, which model all the matter content of the entire universe (past and present) as a perfect fluid of uniform dust. Because of the "local" nonuniformities like filaments and voids, grains of dust are thus on the order kilo- to megaparsecs. If we find that there are bigger grains, the standard "concordance cosmology" will have to be adjusted to be concordant with the new large-scale evidence.
(There is lots of looking right now, but so far everything points to smoothness at scales much smaller than gigaparsecs, kinda how a sheet of paper looks smooth in your hands, but a tiny piece of it under a light microscope looks very fibrous, and under an electron microscope one might discern the remnants of plant cells, or even see microbes!).
https://viewer.legacysurvey.org/?ra=211.0715&dec=81.6327&lay...
It's unthinkable that there isn't life elsewhere on the almost uncountable other star systems. Unfortunately I think we may have also proven that interstellar travel is effectively impossible thanks to the Fermi paradox.
Drake's Equation [0], the Fermi Paradox [1], and the Great Filter [2].
Drake's Equation basically tries to guess the number of civilizations in our galaxy by multiplying the rate of star formation, the fraction of stars with planets, the average number of planets that could support life, the fraction that actually DO develop intelligent life, the fraction that develop a method of communication that sends signals into space (such as radio), and the length of time those civilizations exist. Obviously, a lot of unknowns here, but if you take some guesses, you can create estimates.
The Fermi Paradox is the contradiction that the galaxy is so vast that it's incredibly improbable that we're the only intelligent civilization in existence, so how come we haven't found any evidence of other civilizations? Considering how relatively young the Earth and our Sun are, some other intelligent life should have expanded into a multi-star species by now, and we should have seen evidence for it.
The Great Filter is basically an answer to the Fermi Paradox. Basically, there are several steps to go from "a star system that might support life" to "interstellar colonization". Life likely needs to start from reproductive molecules, eventually evolving to complex multi-cellular life, to tool-using intelligence, to technology advancement, and eventually towards space exploration and an explosion of space colonies. The question is which step is hardest, least likely to be achieved? Which step is the Great Filter that has led to the apparent lack of evidence of other civilizations? If the filter is, say, the development of complex multicellular life, then it's very possible that Earth really is the only planet with intelligent civilization. If the filter is the final step, then we haven't reached it, and our outlook is bleak, as it would indicate that other intelligent civilizations have gone extinct despite their intelligence.
Obviously, these are very very abridged descriptions. Each of them has entire books dedicated to them.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation
If your eyes were capable of visualizing 0-1000 THz, it would see a blinding white noise of creation.
Like a DVD or CD...
Anyway, I think if we created such an image and left the burned DVDs here and there, we could seriously confuse the shit out of some future archeologist.
[1] https://www.sony.com/electronics/support/articles/00009195#:....
Ok...
How about this...
Let’s do it backwards: arrange the data on a DVD so that the one’s correspond to the stars in their relative position. Then, see what the resulting image looks like. Or, better yet, read it as an MPEG; imagine the horror if it outputted as a rickroll.
I was up at 4am today to do work because it's the only time I can do work with focus without my kids disturbing me.
At 6:20am I took a break and saw this thread in HN.
Now I'm having an existential crisis.
Also interesting: "The hypothesis that stars exist only in galaxies was disproven in 1997 with the discovery of intergalactic stars."
Such stars have been observed to exist. The common thought is that they formed within galaxies but ejected from them through gravitational forces.
"...several other anisotropies at other wavelengths – including blue and x-ray – have been detected with other space telescopes and they are now collectively described as the diffuse extragalactic background radiation. Several explanations have been discussed by scientists, but in 2012, it was suggested and shown how for the first time this diffuse radiation might originate from intergalactic stars. If that is the case, they might collectively comprise as much mass as that found in the galaxies. A population of such magnitude was at one point thought to explain the photon underproduction crisis, and may explain a significant part of the dark matter problem."
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.leaflet-control-container { display: none; }It's difficult to escape the conclusion the universe is teeming with life.
This is how CCD works: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/66/CC...
Brilliant!
And things seem hard or tough
And people are stupid, obnoxious or daft
And you feel that you've had quite enough
Just remember that you're standing on a planet that's evolving
And revolving at nine hundred miles an hour
That's orbiting at nineteen miles a second, so it's reckoned
A sun that is the source of all our power
The sun and you and me and all the stars that we can see
Are moving at a million miles a day
In an outer spiral arm, at forty thousand miles an hour
Of the galaxy we call the 'milky way'
Our galaxy itself contains a hundred billion stars
It's a hundred thousand light years side to side
It bulges in the middle, sixteen thousand light years thick
But out by us, it's just three thousand light years wide
We're thirty thousand light years from galactic central point
We go 'round every two hundred million years
And our galaxy is only one of millions of billions
In this amazing and expanding universe
The universe itself keeps on expanding and expanding
In all of the directions it can whizz
As fast as it can go, the speed of light, you know
Twelve million miles a minute and that's the fastest speed there is
So remember, when you're feeling very small and insecure
How amazingly unlikely is your birth
And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space
'Cause it's bugger all down here on Earth
-Eric Idle
[1] https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/zookeeper/galaxy-zoo/
https://blog.galaxyzoo.org/2019/05/21/machine-learning-messa...