Uighurs: 'Credible case' China carrying out genocide

You can email your congressman/woman if you’re in the US

Otherwise, we can try to see the evidence for ourselves, via articles and satellite imagery and try to make more sense of the situation.

Credibility is always an issue. You can find a thousand people willing to support allegations that Joe Biden committed fraud and stole the American presidential election to the point where they are willing to commit armed assault on the capital. The reason such allegations are not taken serious outside of American right wing extremists is because there isn’t any credible claims. If there were credible claims of election fraud other countries would have picked up the discussions and might have taken actions to support democracy in America. But there weren’t.

In this case it’s extremely important to distinguish between credible claims of genocide and the many who would without any basis in evidence be ready to support claims of genocide simply because they’ve seen pictures of mistreated Uighur and feel bad about them. You can’t have international political consequences be based on “I saw pictures on Facebook I don’t like, so China needs to be punished!”

As such I think it’s extremely important when people routed in facts and evidence bring forwards a credible case for what China is doing being classified as genocide.

And, just like that, you're downvoted.

For the record, I upvoted.

There exists quite dense information about this on credible news sources, YouTube, Reddit. (WMDs in Iraq was found to be a hoax just by googling.) Also I've once met backpackers who got imprisoned for practically no reason in exactly that area.

Apart from the Xinjiang issue, the Chinese government has also a quite well-documented recent history of putting individuals into reeducation centers. I don't think this is about hating China anyway but taking on a critical stand towards Chinese (government) policy which is well compatible with an admiration for Chinese culture, if that makes any sense...

> I am a china hater

What does it even mean? China is a huge country, what exactly do you hate - over one billion people, its various countrysides, what?

The Chinese are normal people, like you and me. They work, they have families, they have joys and sorrows the same as we do. The only difference is that they are more controlled by their government and are less free to express what they feel. They have some extraordinary minds, very old and rich culture, and many people I know are truly wonderful and I have some very good friends there.

The Chinese government, though, it's a different monster. But still, I can't understand how one can introduce oneself as "China hater".

Yeah, I'm Chinese and I hate my government, but please do it for the right reason.

It’s worth mentioning that the definition of genocide does not require an attempt to kill off every member of the group, like the Holocaust and Armenian genocide. The 1948 UN convention on genocide included “causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group, deliberately imposing living conditions that seek to ‘bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part’, preventing births, or forcibly transferring children out of the group to another group.” Obviously planned mass death of a group is genocide, but that’s not the only defined requirement.

The coiner of the term genocide also included this in their description of it:

> the disintegration of the political and social institutions, of culture, language, national feelings, religion, and the economic existence of national groups, and the destruction of the personal security, liberty, health, dignity, and even the lives of the individuals belonging to such groups.