Uighur camp detainees allege systematic rape
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If you are a German citizen you really need to ask yourself how you can change your voting behaviour to ensure that the people who made the EU-China deal happen never have political power again.
If good people stand by and do nothing while genocide is happening, they are not good people because good people don't tolerate genocide.
And the pipeline deals that Germany have with Russia is also messed up. Western Europe has to find a backbone and soon, and stand up to totalitarian regimes and dictators. If Europe fails to be a bulwark against this scourge then it will consume Europe also.
EDIT: Just to be clear, I don't suggest the west should invade china or it's proxies, or start wars, or start proxy wars. But is not making deals with a genocidal state that much to ask? Is maybe sanctions too much to ask for? Is clear an unequivocal support for Taiwan with mutual defence pacts too much to ask for?
Also Germany is not the whole EU, but yes Germany could have stopped this. Something only _Germany_ does is the gas pipe to Russia. Germany buys GAS from Russia with more than 20 nuclear reactors worth from the Mafia State.
On a positive side US is back to path for democracy. Go EU, go US!
And the German Nord Stream 2 is entirely unconscionable, and the authoritarianism of Russia is already spreading westwards and will be at Germany's borders sooner rather than later if Germany does not take a harder stance against it.
Donation link for the Uigher Human Rights Project (mentioned in the article):
must have been flagged by a few people
Even China does not deny the camps. The disagreement almost seems to depend on whether "re-education" is considered sinister. In the West? Obviously. In China? That is apparently a normal thing to admit to doing.
Yes, the obviously make an attempt to normalize their policy, just like every government does with every policy. The problem is what they are doing is wrong.
I was also commenting on how people deny the camps exist even when the Chinese themselves admit they exist.
They don't admit it, they whitewash atrocities by saying the camps are for "re-education".
Depends on which sanctions. Imagine everyone would stop producing electronics in China...
And yet here we are with it happening in plain sight and it doesn't seem to bother too many people.
Articles like this making the news says otherwise. It's hard to defend the CCP when they imprison people for no other reason than having a culture that's different from the CCP.
I'm not quite sure what's appropriate for China and the Uighurs - it's not quite bad enough to bomb China but some serious trade sanctions could be in order.
But here we have
- concentration camps and large scale forced detention and labor - organized genocide (admittedly on a much smaller scale than the holocaust) - systematic rape and organ harvesting
I mean if you had to assign some negative utility score to both events I'm sure you could easily argue the Holocaust was worse, but I think that misses the point. Once you check all of those boxes, you are dealing with the same category of thing.
Hopefully Biden does something substantive, and ignores any consideration of the optics of being "tough on China" when that was Trump's thing. This and how he deals with the Myanmar coup are going to be big early tests of what his foreign policy is going to be like.
Social media companies probably have some influence one way or the other over how this plays out, but I don't have much confidence in them to consistently make good decisions absent significant social pressure. The Chinese market is big, and if access to that market depends on assisting government censorship, then they may see that as the cost of doing business.
What can individual people do? The obvious answers are to lobby their elected representatives, donate to good causes, and buy products preferentially from companies that are speaking out and not from companies that are complicit. Is there any other kind of non-obvious activism that can work?
Does not follow. If I can give you several examples of capitalist neo-liberals doing terrible things, then by this line of reasoning capitalism is bad in every form, right?
What economic aspect of China is particularly communist anyway? They wave a red flag around and call their president/prime minister/tsar/whatever a general secretary, but they clearly are or soon will have the most successful capitalist economy in human history.
It's a shame Western states institute the repressive laws that they do, as for the most part, the Western states are vastly better than the CCP on civil liberties, and the few deviations from an otherwise strong commitment to liberal democratic principles prevents the West from having the kind of moral high ground it would otherwise have.
It would also be nice if other people who are annoyed by my genuine question answered it or explained what’s wrong with it.
It actually does the opposite, and takes care to not blame the entire group. Right after 9/11, I remember two main domestic messages:
1. A LOT of flag waving. Like, flags on everything.
2. Islam is a religion of peace/Al-Qaeda corrupted Islam/not all Muslims are terrorists/condemnation of racist attacks against Muslims, etc.
Not sure anyone but Xi Jinping can answer that, but I think the main issue is that Islam is incompatible with the CCP. I think most belief systems which assert that morals are objective are similarly incompatible.
You cannot believe that the CCP is the final arbiter of moral good if you believe that god is the final arbiter of moral good. And the CCP cannot accept any other final arbiters of moral good than the CPP because then they can't run rough shot over their population.
Just to clarify, I'm not religious myself, but I do see morality as objective.
They do not. Many of the men raping Uighur women are socially friends with Uighurs. Many of them are Uighurs themselves. Some of them are probably socially friends with the women they're raping.
They're not raping women because that's somehow part of the Chinese government's plan to assimilate Uighurs, rather, they're doing it because they want sex, they're in a position to get it, they're not going to take no for an answer, and they think they can get away with it.
Which more liberal routes are you thinking of, and how would the government actually implement them with the resources at their disposal?
2019 “I was taken to a hospital to undergo a [sterilization] operation, but because I have always suffered from a gynaecological condition the doctor said I could suffer complications that include death, so they spared me,” she said.
2020 she was injected until she stopped having her period, and kicked repeatedly in the lower stomach during interrogations. She now can’t have children and often doubles over in pain, bleeding from her womb, she said.
2021 Mass rape somehow she left out previous 2 years.
2022 Guards eat babies.
Camps are as real, so are propaganda about them by the usual suspects.