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This is the Future. and It Sucks

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17 pointsMaurizioPz19 comments

There is no conspiracy. Facts are not conspiracy. Read Mr. Klaus Schwab books. The elites are informing us politely what is the Future of the Earth. Please, don't divide this into liberal or conservative. Instead read this and think critically. The books are The Fourth Industrial Revolution and Covid 19 - The Great Reset.

"You'll own nothing. And you'll be happy."

Such a bummer that mentioning The Great Reset gets reflexively downvoted here.

It encompasses some of HN's favorite topics: ethics, futurism, finance, etc. and I'd really like to hear what people smarter than me have to think about it.

Obviously, people smarter than you and me are "making money" and don't look outside the tech bubble of topics (Apple, Google, Tesla, SpaceX, etc.) Protecting their investments.

Actually I think is pointless to give my perspective on things, not because I care about vapourware like HN karma or networking for "better employment", just because here we don't have deep critical discussions anymore (aside of safe zone tech vs tech).

So get along with the program and "be happy":)

I haven't read this book, but I intuit that its point is that we're to awaken to the fact that all our industrial contrivance is to blame for all our misery.

This deeply clicks with me and where I'm personally at in my growth. Technology is bullshit, and it is unsatisfying. The maximal emotional return I can get from creating industrial technology is the knowledge that I'm either dominating others or helping others be dominate. That's flatly garbage in comparison to the return I get from growing an herb on my counter and using it to make tea for my friends.

It's taken me quite some time to extricate my own personal wellbeing from the meatgrinder of western industrial life. As a matter of principle now, I can't really think deeply into how the wider world would ingest such a perspective, and whether or not it's ready for it. Such fruitless contemplations were the reasons for the depression, anxiety, and other mental health issues of my twenties.

This is happening in many spheres. Some call it spiritual awakening, others call it a mental health crisis, and yet more call it The Great Reset and seem to frame it in economic terms. Economy is pure human contrivance -- "logy" should be the root we use for the term we use to describe our relationship to the system we subsume, not "nomy".

All in all I agree -- this is by far the most interesting stuff and represents a distinct segment of growth amongst the intellectual body of western industrial humanity. I'll probably catch some neg for saying this, but all of this stuff is common sense amongst indigenous communities. They naturally have the correct context to automatically hold these perspectives.

These are the reasons that are mentioned in the video:

Reason #1 We are tracked everywhere we go

Reason #2 Thoughts are crimes

Reason #3 Mega tech firms controll communication, information, and finances

Reason #4 Most people are fine with this

I really hope this is not our future.

It's not our future. It pretty much describes our present - save for #2. I wouldn't say we're to the point where thoughts are crimes. I'm not including so-called 'Cancel Culture' because that isn't an action of the State and as such merely reflects a consequence of speaking your mind - a consequence that has always existed but is now amplified by social media.

The ancient Chinese curse has come true - we live in interesting times!

#2 was about getting banned from services if you talk about the wrong subjects. I think one example given was youtube banning people talking about crypto.

Being banned is not jail, and misleading people without reprecussions not a privilege.

Our elites mislead all the time without repercussions. We are almost at the anniversary of " 2 weeks to flatten the curve". They lied and children have suffered. No school, no human contact. And it was all proven to be a failure.

You chose to listen to the wrong advice then. Our advisors stated "at least 2 years" at middle of March 2020. Their projections for vaccine was too pessimistic. But that's a bonus, and we still see that vaccine logistics is a hurdle to overcome.

You need to sponsor those who tell it as it is.

That was bad example, there is a short book about people loosing their livelihood over stupid posts on their twitter[0].

To me that is starting to look like #2, not a clear cut but still. Its a mechanism of though suppression at least. You are literally risking you career over drunk tweet you made trying to be funny.

[0]"So You've Been Publicly Shamed" Book by Jon Ronson

The full power of social media may be too powerful, both to the individual, and also possible threat-models to society.

The problem is that anonymous posting also have problems of lack of accountability. So we need to watch out for how to balance and use this power for good.

About #4, a lot of dystopian stories have an "outsider" with mostly our current culture point of view to show why it is a dystopia (sometimes is the reader itself, sometimes is someone that comes from a different planet, or an isolated community or slept in some way till that moment).

But for the people living on it (and all the process till reaching that point) it is just business as usual, life as it should be or like there is no better/realistic alternative. And leaving that dystopia means giving up on something they are not willing to leave.

You can't cure the symptoms without dealing with the disease, and we don't want to lose some of its core elements.

Reason 1: We're tracked. Basically saying that we're tracked through our phones and credit cards.

Reason 2: "Thought crime." Basically complaining about deplatforming. Then extends to saying some countries will jail you for "wrong-think".

Reason 3: Big Tech. Bemoaning that we use Google and Facebook and a few other services for most communication. Also Apple/Google/Etc pay.

Reason 4: Sheeple. Aka "most people are fine with it".

It's just all sort of alt-righty conspiracy-lite ranting.

I’ve not watched the video. Are the 4 reasons you’ve listed “alt- righty conspiracy-lite” or is that in the video?

It is from the video.. However, I am not sure why it is alt-right conspiracy-lite. I can see 1, 3 and 4 being mostly true. I am not too sure about 2 - but expressing your thoughts can be a crime - lese majeste laws in Thailand come to mind.

This is not the vibe I got from the video, I used to follow the author and he is quite prominent in the linux world... Is linux and OSS alt-right?

It's more the video itself. It has a very "most people don't know this, wake up sheeple" vibe.

Deplatforming is not an alt-right problem. Users need better options for disputing company policies. When the algorithms get something wrong and your banned how should that be handled?

We are tracked way too much. And companies are usually way to vulnerable to hacking. Again more of a mainstream issue that politicians look the other way on.

#3 youtube is great service in some respects but complete shit in others. The biggest issue is just getting rid of it off your phone. or blocking it off a roku.

And the point was there are some options but people don't use them.

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