Facebook: “Your honor, Apple implemented a prompt to ask people whether they want 3rd parties to track them, using their own data.”
Judge: “Case closed.”
Judge: “Case closed.”
They also demand that our Messenger discloses list of collected data, while apple's iMessage messenger does not disclose the data collected by Apple corporation as part of their iCloud service suite."
Facebook is a scummy company. But Apple is hiding their own tracking under default opt-in switches and using double standards as well. It's funny that their own apps don't disclose all the data that iCloud collects and uses for basic functionality like messaging.
Having BOTH corporations honestly disclose what they collect would be the biggest win for us.
This is, as far as I can tell, completely false.
Apple has been asking for explicit opt-ins for years, and is only now requiring apps to follow suit.
They should all be opt-in.
And it is opt-in.
You may not remember it, and I think that some of the opt-ins persist across device restores, but all the data collection is through explicit opt-ins.
https://www.apple.com/privacy/
Its bundled apps do not track users across the internet, which is the crux of Facebook’s issue.
Just because Apple’s bundled apps aren’t on the App Store and don’t have the same nutrition facts scorecard it doesn’t mean that they aren’t communicating their approach to privacy loudly and in detail elsewhere.
Because there's a difference between a big in-your-face popup and a website far away from the device actually running iMessage.
Apple isn’t really giving themselves a special dispensation here. Giving users additional information about how Facebook messenger (and others) are doing things that most users don’t expect is a service.
"""The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread."""
Apple have defined the rules, the rules which Apple have defined mean that Apple apps do not look scary while Facebook’s do.
Are those rules fair?
I happen to think “probably yes”, yet I am prepared to be incorrect.
And their description listed under the Privacy section, "The Apple advertising platform does not track you" couldn't be more clear.
Maybe you can outline exactly how Apple is tracking you ?
So does Facebook. But Apple then demanded that everyone except them shows a big disclosure popup in AppStore which doesn't appear for their apps since they're preinstalled.
> And their description listed under the Privacy section, "The Apple advertising platform does not track you" couldn't be more clear.
Note the weasel phrase "Advertising platform". Remember, Apple keeps all of our private data, messages and even locations stored on their servers. Well, at least from most of us that use iCloud.
Almost every single app on the store doesn't have a comprehensive Privacy section. And so enforcing this on behalf of users is a very positive and important step.
And yes in order to offer backups, have a cloud-based Messages service and offer features like Find My they will need to collect data.
But all of that can be switched off and Location Services for example is opt-in by default.
Well said. However, if you are a business owner today who wants to be able to put out their app to half their customer base, your world does revolve around Apple, which is what those of us who don't agree with the way Apple runs its App Store hegemony don't want to happen.
Isn't all this private data encrypted with the user keys?
That's the impression I have gotten at least and I hope I'm not wrong.
If you have a proof that they behave otherwise, that would be useful, but as things are you cannot just write a sentence like that without any supporting evidence.
Facebook doesn't sell you data of people, they sell you ability to have people interact with your ads. Apple doesn't sell you data of the people, they sell you ability to have people download your apps.
How do you construct that as “selling user data”? Does my local farmers’ market sell my data because I can go there and buy some food every week? This “both sides” argument is just as wrong as when it is used in other contexts.
It doesn’t require a ‘source’ to check this.
If you have a source showing that they are doing tracking without consent, that would be relevant, and would indeed favor facebook’s case.