Comment by thewarrior | Hacker News Reader

Comment by thewarrior | Hacker News Reader

As an Indian dev these stories about how coding bootcamps are disrupting education make me smile. This business model has already been tested and scaled in India. It’s called Infosys, Wipro and TCS and the 150 billion dollar Indian IT services industry.

They operate like coding bootcamps. They hire tens of thousands of random grads, put them through a “bootcamp” of six months and contract them out to Fortune 500 firms. They also have these kinds of exit clauses where you have to pay them if you quit early. These people often have no CS backgrounds.

These bootcamps will also end up shifting to India and turning into outsourcing firms. Nothing more nothing less. It can absolutely work and be huge but as you scale the quality drops and it’s not a panacea.

If I were the lambda school CEO I’d just start a remote first outsourcing firm in India and cut to the chase.

If I were an IT service company CEO I’d rebrand myself as “disrupting education” to get some of that sweet VC $.

When their employees relocate to the US, they're required to give their employer power of attorney, which is used to report phony tax returns and take the refund checks.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/ites/tcs-to-pay-30...

When they submit H-1B applications, they submit the same form 10 times so their employees get selected because they figured out that the H-1B selection process is literally someone grabbing a random envelope from a mail container.

> When they submit H-1B applications, they submit the same form 10 times so their employees get selected because they figured out that the H-1B selection process is literally someone grabbing a random envelope from a mail container.

It's time these visas get a pool per country so we can punish the ones that are trying very hard to abuse it.

Just make everything electronic.

You may still submit a form, but it should be immediately be processed into electronic form before actual case processing.

Mailing paper forms is the reason that fraud vector to became possible.

They'll still keep popping up. There's profits to be made from "boot camps". A company I worked for a couple years ago partnered up with a UK firm that's doing something similar, so it's spreading.

It’s okay. Just don’t become a soldier for a mercenary firm.

> It can absolutely work and be huge but as you scale the quality drops and it’s not a panacea.

I mean this more sounds like the recipe for yet more garbage code and various levels of disaster.

There's a reason off-shore firms (Indian firms, specifically) have such a reputation for absolutely horrendous, garbage work product.

Oh, I know, I've literally walked from a job due to being tasked with salvaging some poorly specced project that was outsourced to one of these firms before.

These companies/practices exist in the US as well, one of the companies you mentioned offered me a 2 year contract with an early termination fee that was 4-5 months salary

Yeah I was locked into a 3 year contract with money up front. Learned a lot but glad I managed to get out and work my way up to FANG type companies. Just prep well for interviews and leave ASAP.

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