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Man I wish they'd sell an electric car without all the cameras, tracking and self driving stuff.

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Renault Zoe is popular in Europe. It's just as "boring" as a regular Renault.

Those are high-margin value-add features.

I agree with you. I want a car that drives and nothing else.

Hyundai Ioniq, Renault Zoe, VW IDx, at least

Plenty of small city cars to choose from too: Renault Twingo electric, Skoda CITIGOe, Volkswagen e-Up, Honda E...

Don't forget the Renault TWIZY.

Arguably that's more like a four-wheel scooter. I generally draw the line at Smarts (although I think the new Twingo uses the same platform as Forfour).

You can buy a Kandi in the US today, often for under $10,000 after subsidies. https://www.kandiamerica.com/ It does have a backup camera, as basic camera modules and screens are essentially free now.

If you're in an urban area, consider an ebike for a light electric vehicle without unnecessary frills that you can store in your home.

Backup cameras are now required on new cars in the US.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/cars-us-now-required-backup-camera...

Uhh, the Kandi is an NEV. Not allowed on highways, speed limited to 25-35MPH by law, and has nowhere near the safety and crash test requirements of a 'real' car. For comparison, NEVs are normally literal golf carts with bigger motors.

??? They do. These features only exist on premium electric cars

You don't have to use the sell driving but not not want the passive safety features that come with that seems kind of insane.

I'm not convinced Tesla's passive safety features are better than those of other companies.

Given the track record of Teslas crashing into stationary obstacles, I'm not sure if they even use cameras for emergency breaking, or if it's just the radar based stuff every other car maker uses as well.

My Grand Cherokee has a radar unit that states the same warning about stationary objects. It appears the part is from Bosch and fit for Grand Cherokees and Durangos.

I don't want a car with an Internet connection.

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