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It's possible for there to be no good guys in a fight. They are both multi-billion dollar corporations looking out for their shareholders' interests. "Open source" is being thrown around by both sides as a marketing/goodwill tool, nothing more.

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this is the correct take. AWS and Elastic are both acting out of self interest with varying levels of gains for the customer in each.

I'm about to make a really petty and possibly off topic comment, so sorry for this --

"this is the correct take" is like my least-favorite Twitter-ism of them all. it's so ridiculously authoritative and final. Like, "Whoa, okay, everyone stop the discussion. @SandwichGuy87 has identified the correct take. Thanks for bringing us to reality, @SandwichGuy87."

I think it comes from a desperation for clarity in a messy conversation.

This is the correct take.

I guess "I believe this is correct." would be more polite. But on a social media site where everything is about prompting the next comment, and no one can unilaterally end any conversation, it's obviously toothless. In that context, the "polite" alternative could come off as tentative.

I hadn't heard "twitterism" before. Is there a list of these? I unplugged from Twitter more than a year ago, and have benefited immensely. But I'm sure I'm missing references because of it.

I think if you read the two parent comments to "this is the correct take", they also take an authoritative mood.

Rather qualifying a statement with "I think", or "I believe", they basically assume some reality to be true and then describe it. And that's ok, as readers we assume that the author is giving their opinion.

So "this is the correct take" should be read as "in the reality that I believe is true, this is the correct take".

Except [I believe] it should be called out to help the author become aware of the rigidity in thought of they are unaware of it. Perhaps they truly believe something is the only truth., and then they can defend their authoritative statement if they wish.

It becomes tiresome to always phrase things with "I believe" or "my opinion".

I agree but I am a firm believer that all things between people are highly situational, including when to inform, when to explain, when to suggest, when to ask, and when to listen. Correcting people can be considered impolite. In discussions marked by conflict, it's often more useful to get the other person to arrive at your conclusion themselves, by simply presenting the information and your evaluation of its meaning. It depends a lot upon the audience, the prior conversation, the circumstances etc. People are marked by a great deal of hysteresis (not to be confused with hysteria lol).

Completely agree. It's a boring reddit/twitter soundbite which contributes nothing

haha —- maybe i’ll add imo next time? good feedback though. i hadn’t considered the phrase to be taken that way

“Acting out of self interest” doesn’t make you the bad guy. In fact, it makes you the good guy because you chose to align your own interests with something that is good. This is why Apple is the “good guy” when it comes to privacy and Google is the “bad guy” (relative to each other at least). Sure, Apple is acting in their own interest when they advertise how privacy focused they are. But they chose to make that a selling point for themselves, while Google did not.

And not for lack of trying, but rather because iAds failed

It really is. “Open source” good, “closed source” bad. This is embarrassing.

I personally feel AWS should have collaborated with Elastic long before this. AWS is likely making a ton on the elasticsearch offering.

What’s interesting is a few people working at AWS has decided to be a bully and then now trying to kill a company. There is zero goodwill to the community here. Both parties working off their egos.

I hope they can keep it up and make their solution a MariaDB and not a subpar version of ES.

> It's possible for there to be no good guys in a fight

Without Amazon for this would have end up like Qt software .In this case Amazon clearly are the good guys. Although they do it in their self interest, i am glad it happened.

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