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Yes, they should charge Apple 30% of their revenue.

Also, they should insist to change "Made in China, designed in California" into "Made in China, High-tech from Taiwan, rest of the design from California".

If they don't comply, Apple should be thrown out of the FabStore.

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> "Made in China, High-tech from Taiwan, rest of the design from California"

Aren't the CPU-making machines actually coming from The Netherlands and TSMC is "just" using them to produce the chips?

I bet Intel would use them for their 5nm process if they knew how.

The EUV sources are just light sources. Calling them chip making machines is like calling a very expensive stove a Michelin-starred restaurant.

ASML is making more than "just light sources". (indeed the "light source" part of their photolitography machines is something they bought a company from the US for - the entire industry has supply chains spanning the world, so attributing it to countries makes not that much sense IMHO)

Interesting, I stand corrected.

I think of them as Si printers with incredibly precise optics. There is certainly something missing in your analogy.

Yeah, it's like inkjet printer vs a little hose that squirts ink, only more so.

That's like calling boeing a propeller company. ASML builds chip making machines. EUV isn't about light sources. It's about the entire process.

https://www.deingenieur.nl/artikel/first-commercial-asml-euv...

This article references Cymer as the manufacturer of the actual light source. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cymer

Usually I don't care much about humor on HN, but you owe me a new keyboard.

Why?

Coffee spilled on the keyboard because of sudden laughter would be my guess.

Deplatforming is in fashion.

I want this so much.

>Also, they should insist to change "Made in China, designed in California" into "Made in China, High-tech from Taiwan, rest of the design from California".

Cambridge, England (Arm) should also be in this mix.

The cores are in-house apple, so that's a bit strenuous

Strenuous? Not in the slightest. The ISA and the original chip design is from Arm and is licensed to Apple. There would be no M1 without Cambridge.

Its so incestuous that all this becomes circular after awhile- there would be no ARM without Apple.

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