Intel Kills Off All Optane-Only SSDs for Consumers, No Replacements Planned
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Consumer-grade Optane SSDs are not competetive with flash memory, simple as that. On performance and write endurance, flash-based SSD are "good enough", while also much better on cost-per-GB vs Optane. This reduces available market for Optane to gaming enthusiasts and similar customers - a very small slice of the total PC market.
Now, for enterprise markets, best-in-class performance is always in demand, and the product can be (over)priced much higher than on the PC market.
Therefore, it makes total sense to make this move.
It is not, the problem is I have yet to see any evidence of benefits. Most consumer and Gaming are Seq Read, which is something modern SSD actually does better than Optane. So Despite Optane having 10x faster Random Read at Queue 1, there are barely any measurable differences in gaming load time or frame rates.
The latest consoles have SSDs+APIs that outclass anything available on PC today, so you might see fast NVMe SSDs as a requirement in the future. Even then, games will be optimized for the latency of SSDs, not Optane.
In short: No, that's not a market.
BTW, I don't think they ever made much difference in gaming. My understanding is that they were optimized for database like workloads, where you get lots of small disparate writes.
Optane SSDs have extremely low latency, which is critical for sequential operations.
Most operating systems have long phases of largely single-threaded synchronous I/O, or nearly so. They certainly can't maintain queue depth required to even approach 500K IOPS.
IOPS do not tell the whole story here. Consider disk A, at 1M IOPS, against disk B, at 1k IOPS. Suppose the workload is light, at only 500 IOPS, which are "small" enough to service quickly. Which disk is higher performing?
You might say they're both capable of the task, so just get the cheaper one. This is wrong. Assume, for sake of a simple argument, that disk A can respond in 1us to these requests, and disk B in 1ms. That is, they'd be able to hit "max IOPS" on these requests, if only you have enough. Then disk A services the whole thing in 500us per second, or 0.05% used, and disk B in 500ms per second, or 50% used.
So disk A is in fact actually 1000x faster, if you're waiting on its result. Which, for single-threaded operations, you often are. If you're instead optimizing for throughput, you don't care.
Either point of view can be correct, at different times or for different systems. Ignorance that both points of view exist is how things like bufferbloat are everywhere now.
It's not an "other reason". IO operations at queue depth 1 are a direct measurement of latency. Queue depth 1 is not about throughput at all.
> Suppose the workload is light, at only 500 IOPS, which are "small" enough to service quickly.
I will assume the workload is light in CPU too, since spending half the time waiting for the disk is apparently not an instant disqualification.
> So disk A is in fact actually 1000x faster, if you're waiting on its result. Which, for single-threaded operations, you often are. If you're instead optimizing for throughput, you don't care.
If you're waiting on a bunch of results and disk A gets them to you significantly faster, it sounds like your initial premise of "only 500 IOPS" was wrong or misleading.
If you have a response time you want to meet, then you should measure IOPS with a sliding window of that many milliseconds. If it's still 500 at most, then disk B will still be fine for meeting your target.
If it turns out that "500" actually comes in bursts of 50 operations, and you want to be done in 10 milliseconds, then you should label your workload as "5k IOPS". Put in a drive that does at least 10k and you'll see all calculations done in under a frame; basically perfect latency. A drive a million times faster would have no practical difference.
Latency is a much bigger factor with conventional filesystem APIs. If you had fully async filesystem APIs that read offset x1 on file f1, offset x1 on file2, offset x100 on file f100 all at the same time then you would see linear scaling and the difference between Optane and NAND would grow smaller. However, that would require learning a new and much harder paradigm (you now have to be aware of parallelism inside SSDs). Optane is a simple upgrade that requires no software changes.
Most developer workstations have had SSDs for many years. This applies to the Windows 10 developers, too. So they haven't paid any real attention to performance regressions on HDDs, since it still works. It's just slow. But it's a HDD so who cares?
That means there's now a lot of I/O going on before and after login, more than would have ever been tolerated in the "old days". Yes, initial boot is just streaming reads, that's easy. But once the OS gets going, it starts logging things... writing. Or finishing up the dregs of the last system update. And NAND SSDs do not handle that mix well at all. They do extremely well with all-reads and very well with all-writes, but a mix will bog them down (block granularity? I don't know why).
Optane doesn't do that. It doesn't care about reads versus writes, or small writes between larger reads. It just goes, and it responds fast no matter what the mix.
It's not really the sort of thing where you notice "wow, this is so fast". It's the sort of thing where you notice randomly sometime that "hey, I've never actually had to wait for this disk". It's harder to notice the absence of pain compared to the pain itself. With Optane, something else is always the bottleneck.
It's not a huge effect, but it was pretty easy to justify the smaller price premium for Optane a few years ago when it was introduced. I fully expected it would carve out a bigger niche for itself at the top of the performance market -- because it really is the top, ahead of anything NAND -- but that hasn't happened. More Intel failings, I guess.
So, the Windows boot speed comparison provides an indication that it'll give some benefit to personal workstations too. Whether it's worth it or not is another question entirely.
It's not an abundantly high throughput device like NVMe, but for ZIL/SLOG and other caching where it's more about volume of tiny transactions, Optane is very useful.
Of course in enterprise you'd just buy a PCIe card with the characteristics your workloads require which makes Optane very "prosumer", so I understand why Intel would axe the line.
On my Gentoo Linux, there are absolutely no writes during booting.
On the other hand, for my job, I have installed Windows 10 Enterprise on several kinds of embedded computers.
Some of those computers used some ancient model of Transcend SATA SSDs, which had an extremely low writing speed, of only around 40 Mbyte/s, much like a memory card (and not like a good one).
After the default installation of Windows 10, the booting was unbelievably slow, it could take maybe a half hour or so. When Windows 10 decided that it must install updates, it was much worse. The computer became available after booting only after a few hours.
I had to waste a few days with the unhelpful Windows Knowledge Base and with some more helpful Internet forums, until I discovered how to shut down all the Windows services that wanted to write to the SSD during booting, so that eventually the booting time of Windows reached an acceptable value of less than a minute.
On the same hardware Linux booted almost instantly, because the SSD reading speed was decent, unlike its writing speed.
There are Linux distributions that I do not use, e.g. Ubuntu, and I would not be surprised if those also come with default configurations that attempt to write during booting, e.g. for updating file indexing databases, or other such crap.
https://ssd.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Samsung-980-Pro-NVMe-P...
The moment capitalism becomes an excuse for capitalism crony capitalism becomes inevitable.
The evils of market segmentation and to a broader degree "value-add" should not be legitimized.
Can't really tell a difference in performance regardless of whether it is activated or not.
An enterprise grade NVME SSD closed that gap significantly with Optane drives, compared to regular SATA III SSDs.
Also, SSD flash controllers are now mature enough to the point where you can just throw a ton of low-grade flash at it, and have very respectable performance.
Either that, or they’re transitioning to offer consumer grade NVDIMMs, but the hardware APIs for those are really difficult to take advantage of for general purpose compute.
I think a lot of OEMs and users quickly figured out that a 128Tb m.2 SSD wasn't much more than a 32gb Optane module cost-wise, at which point you can have your whole boot drive and more on an SSD.
I'm not certain whether enterprise drives will die off as quickly, I suppose it depends on market trends. One marketed plus of 3D XPoint technology was far better write endurance and lack of need for garbage collection. If a data center has a lot of rolling data to process it might not be a bad fit.
It's tough to break into an established market with a new technology. Battery tech also suffers from this problem. It's hard to challenge Li Ion now, even if you have something theoretically better. The manufacturing advantage is just too strong.
I was really excited by its 2nd Gen though [1], much closer to what Intel originally promised with Optane. And Read Write Speed that finally rivals other SSDs. I was hoping they would release a Consumer versions so we could do a benchmark against other PCI-E 4.0 SSD so we could finally settle the false assumption that Random Read is everything.
[1] https://www.servethehome.com/new-intel-optane-p5800x-100-dwp...
Hopefully Micron will introduce an equivalent version.
Optane, at the time we bought it, was significantly faster than any consumer SSD.
With a Windows 10 install mounted on the Optane and installing it to a Optane hosted VM, the install takes four minutes if you have that file that answers the quetions Windows needs to install.
For a customer heavily invested in this new tech it's not great. Those will complain all over. It will hurt customer confidence in the long term. Meaning your new products have even less chance at mass adoption even if they're really good. Customers appreciate when you stand behind your products.
Consider companies like Google that are well known for shutting down services. And they're usually free, yet still people are now more hesitant to put their stuff in it.
I’m not nearly as convinced that “Intel once stopped selling Optane drives for consumers; you can’t trust them” is anywhere near as likely (nor valid) as “Intel has made major mis-steps in microcode resulting in serious degradation of performance after the sale for mitigations, seems to be struggling with their next process step change, and is facing major pressures now not just from AMD but now from ARM and Apple”.
In some sense the Optane decision is like the Google one. “Should I bet something important on this technology that isn’t making the company any money?” is a very fair question to ask.
and. i hope to be able to buy big sticks of "ram" cheap because they're actually optane with ram cache...like maybe 256gb optane + 32gb ddr5...one day....
That gets you the price and 80% of the performance.
If not, it's so tiny that while it will give you amazing performance on disk and database benchmarks I'm not convinced it will be notably better than an SLC cache when doing anything else. And an SLC cache doesn't require an extra chip.
Good grief.
Software has improved a lot, even if UI responsiveness hasn’t.
I really meant it, even if I was too grief stricken to express it better.
For me, this marks the end of Moore's law.