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Comment by BlueTemplar | Hacker News Reader

For anyone interested in 3D FPS Sci-Fi Roguelikes† made with Unreal Engine, you might also want to check The Pit: Infinity :

https://store.steampowered.com/app/577410/The_Pit_Infinity/

It also has co-op, which AFAIK is pretty exceptional for a roguelike† ?

P.S.: It's in a lot of ways a 3D remake of the critically acclaimed Sword of the Stars : The Pit, which is a 2D roguelike† with modern graphics (at least modern compared to most of the other roguelikes†):

https://www.gog.com/game/sword_of_the_stars_the_pit_osmium_e...

(†roguelikes, not roguelikelikes, The Pit isn't going to go easy on you !

The most important skill to learn is how to conserve, and when to use your various resources : health, 'psi'=mana, food, item durability, ammo, inventory space, crafting items, taking character levels which you decide and which also refills your health and psi…

with the hardest probably being to decide which rooms is worth the risk to open, and which is not.)

> It also has co-op, which AFAIK is pretty exceptional for a roguelike† ?

Not really. It's pretty common, esp. if you include modern games: Spelunky, Caveblazers, The Binding of Isaac, Son of a Witch, Enter the Gungeon, all have co-op, most of them support up to 4 players.

Sorry, not a roguelike according to the Berlin interpretation [1], and neither IMHO.

At best you could say it's an action roguelike, but it looks like a generic fps, with maybe randomised layout (I hope) and maybe some rpg-like stats.

There's a lot of dilution of the roguelike term, and even while some variety and games that don't fully fit the term could be marginally accepted I don't think a randomised Borderlands could fit the genre at all.

[1] http://www.roguebasin.com/index.php?title=Berlin_Interpretat...

From the steam page:

"Explore procedurally generated hallways, rooms and biomes!"

"Gain Levels to improve your Attributes and Skills!"

"Collect components and craft new items to improve your chances of survival!"

which along with permadeath and makes it a good match for the action roguelike term.

As I said, I could buy it presenting itself as an action roguelike, but not as a "pure" roguelike.

Terms have a meaning, and if we dilute them we will have the literally situation again,in which it's used instead of figuratively.

Literally means “as it is written”; it has always meant both “a thing that actually happened” and “figuratively”.

The only Factors that don't fit (for 3D The Pit) are the High Value Turn-based and Grid-based and for Low Value ASCII display.

It's probably also much less action-based than OP's project(?) and Risk of Rain 2, more of an horror/survival vibe. Especially with how touching an enemy with a shot still requires a skill check roll, and there's no bonus (AFAIK?) for headshots or such.

Not to mention the other aspects, especially resource management being extremely important : expect often dying of starvation (or dying desperately trying to find food and rushing into hopeless fights).

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