Amazon warned Parler for months about “more than 100” violent threats
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Twitter has a huge team to work on that and removes them when they see them.
> Downvote me to hell, but study history of other socialist / Marxist take overs; you will see the same pattern.
You're right, a lot of socialist revolutions do start with people storming a capitol building and trying to murder government officials.
Trumpism came close to inflicting a hemorrhaging wound on their business models, but it missed, and now it will be eliminated with extreme prejudice.
Then these boomers rode up to DC to unwittingly put more wind in the valley's sails.
Patriot Act II, here we come!
But no, it must be because of committees, no way it could be the other thing.
In our heyday, our representatives would duel over points of honor. Nowadays, all it takes is a swarm of elderly neckbeards to make them cower beneath their desks.
Doesn’t matter who’s wielding the AR15, it will still be lethal.
Good job, however, that the representatives learnt their school shooter drills.
Firing no shot in his defence, his troop numbers swelled until they became an army. On 5 March, the nominally royalist 5th Infantry Regiment at Grenoble went over to Napoleon en masse. The next day they were joined by the 7th Infantry Regiment under its colonel, Charles de la Bédoyère, who was executed for treason by the Bourbons after the campaign ended.
An anecdote illustrates Napoleon's charisma: when royalist troops were deployed to stop the march of Napoleon's force at Laffrey, near Grenoble, Napoleon stepped out in front of them, ripped open his coat and said "If any of you will shoot his Emperor, here I am." The men joined his cause.
A bunch a idiots stormed a building, for anyone to think they could have “taken over” anything other than space is insane. And how fast I’m getting negative Karma is also insane. But it is what it is, I guess no discussion allowed unless you tow the line. Hacker news ain’t what it used to be.
Capitol police officer Brian Sicknick died from injuries suffered in the Capitol attack, apparently from being beaten by people in Trump paraphernalia.
The US Attorney's office has opened a federal murder case.
So yes, I can believe someone was murdered.
In fact, under the doctrine of felony murder, anyone comitting a felony during the act in which someone died can be charged with felony murder, so prosecutors are considering charging everyone in the entire attack that committed any felony with felony murder. So there may be hundreds eventually charged with felony murder from the attack - all were complicit under the law.
Well, I'm guessing that those posting on Parler that they were there to "HANG ALL TRAITORS" and such (there's more and more of this coming out - I'd wait till the court cases present evidence before you claim such certainty no one was planning murder), coupled with the weapons they brought, and the fact that someone did indeed get murdered, will make it clear that some did go there intending to murder someone, despite your not being able to believe it.
If you and your group write some violent manifesto, then attack some place, and someone dies, even if it is not the person you wanted, you will be charged with murder.
Accidental deaths are charged with homicide. The current charges are murder, as in pre-planned killings.
No need to reply. I think our sides are clear enough.
I'm certain the family of the cop that was beat to death[1] or the aides hiding in their offices, some of which may have had their panic buttons removed prior sometime prior to the rioting[2] or Nancy Pelosi, who had an opposition senator live-tweeting her location[3] during the insurrection, or the guy who drove up from Alabama with a list of names, 3 handguns, an AR15 and a cooler full of molotov cocktails [4] would all beg to differ.
https://www.uscp.gov/media-center/press-releases/loss-uscp-c...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/joewalsh/2021/01/13/democratic-...
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/01/12/nation/colorado-repub...
https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/alabama-man-charged-posse...
"Unfortunate"?
> but I doubt they meant to murder someone.
What?
They dragged him into the rioting mob and hit him in the head with lead pipes and left him for dead.
I've also read the many death threats to/about specific Democrats that were posted on Parler.
"probably unintentional"? They dragged the police officer into the mob and proceed to beat him up with lead pipes.
> even so that’s not representative of the whole.
I get that a portion of the mob were simply playing the role of useful idiots, but you're talking about a mob who brought bombs, weapons, zip ties, and a freaking gallows.
How on earth is anyone still claiming the riot was remotely peaceful?
Here's a video from a lawyer (a Canadian one, but he's been pretty good about American issues) that describes the Amazon response:
This is clearly retaliation for the H1-B caps / S230 threats of the outgoing administration, rather than corporate concern for the stability of the republic. How many people here can even say "corporate concern" with a straight face?
Business is war, alliances change. What they do to the MAGA grannies today might not be so amusing when the targets change.
Parler's userbase is comprised of people who were either banned or migrated away from Facebook and Twitter in protest of them cracking down on hate speech and systematic appeals to violent action.
They moved to Parker as Parker rather explicitly stated they would not act on hate speech and systematic appeals to violent action.
They should be federally investigated on these grounds. Don't act like it was some innocent people putting together a social media site just because it wasn't allowed to bear fruit.
Your argument is week. I don't think any startups on here are activity trying to destabilize the American government in favor of racist authoritarians? That is pretty fucking high bar to qualify for.
And why doesn't everyone at Amazon get a say in how there work is used in the world? Should we actively work for people and causes that go against our beliefs?
It is a simple matter. They are such assholes no one with a brain is wants to help them. And thankfully, they are allowed to refuse them service over because of their actions.
And finally, freedom of speech? Really? Have you ever seen content policies? Or do disagree with those as well? And any moderation (although like I said above the site was actively moderated to conform to particular content and social graphs).
It's safe to say few other companies have scaled through that mechanism and simultaneously targeted hard-to-moderate audiences.
This is not established fact. It's what Amazon has alleged in its filed response to Parler's lawsuit. They might yet prove it. But they haven't done that yet.
There's a bizarre meme where people apply a lower standard of proof to PR campaigns and random bloggers than statements made under penalty of perjury.
Parler Reportedly Backed by Mercers, Same Family That Funded Cambridge Analytica: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/parler-reportedly-...
>Hedge-fund investor Robert Mercer, former principal investor in the now-defunct Cambridge Analytica, and his daughter Rebekah Mercer are among Parler's financial backers, according to a new report.
>People familiar with the matter told the Wall Street Journal about the Mercers' ties to Parler—an American microblogging and social networking service launched in 2018 that has a significant user base of Trump supporters. Parler CEO John Matze confirmed that Rebekah Mercer was a lead investor in the early stages of the company and that her funding was conditional on the app relinquishing control to users on what they can see.
Amazon's response to Parler's lawsuit is damning: https://beta.documentcloud.org/documents/20449127-amazon_res...
>In interview's Parler's CEO stated he doesn't think it is Parler's obligation to monitor the full range of user activity.
>Content encouraging violence continued to grow rapidly after the events of Jan 6
>During a call with Amazon Parler CEO stated they had a backlog of 26,000 reported pieces of content.
>Parler CEO posted "we could be operational within 12 hours of downtime from Amazon. That they had prepared for events like this by not relying on services like AWS and having bare metal products."
The Mercer funded Parler project doesn't think it needs to moderate it's content, has a backlog of reports they have been unwilling to surmount, and they stated they don't need Amazon anyways because they prepared for it. Please don't bother complaining about AWS depriving them of necessary services unless you can prove a requirement to knowingly disseminate terrorist propaganda without functioning moderation.
If there's any damnation to come, it's from the court, not from the parties.
I read both the original complaint and Amazon's opposition, front to back. Both are pleadings---one side's statement of events and how the law should apply to their version. Not established fact. Not neutral determinations.
I do commend Amazon's counsel, at least at surface level. Doran and Wickers left a strong impression.
Even watched in real-time this past summer as people organized to come burn down my neighborhood. But those were good democrats that wanted white people to burn, so that’s excusable.
This has nothing to with violence, and is pure political suppression. Amazon, twitter and others were just waiting for the first viable excuse.
Downvote me to hell, but study history of other socialist / Marxist take overs; you will see the same pattern.
Parler actively avoided moderating even explicitly called out posts by their own service provider.
In fact the only thing parler apparently moderated was insufficiently right wing accounts, as accounts apparently started off shadow banned until their account was found to be sufficiently right wing.
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