https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/paris-terror-attacks/secre...
So to sum up. I highly value privacy and security (especially as we're adding more to the internet. The danger is increasing). But I'm against extremism. It is a numbers game that more public members will gain value from privacy than the dozens of terrorists who will. But it is a different situation if someone creates a space dedicated to extremism.
(I do think this is a very reasonable question to ask though)
Edit: I wouldn't say that Signal will be completely unmoderated. Groups still have admins. But you're right that Signal won't be able to moderate. But this isn't that different from any federated platform.
Two follow up questions: How do you objectively determine Parler is dedicated to extremism but Signal is not? I think Parler would argue (even if incorrect or insincerely) that they choose not to be the arbiter of right and wrong too, or at least to do so as minimally as possible. Since we can't see into Signal, we don't have any data on the % of messages dedicated to extremism.
"If a member of the public can get in then why can't someone from the CIA/NSA? It might as well be in clear text. If they can't infiltrate these groups then we have much bigger problems". Isn't that an argument for allowing Parler to stand? It actually _is_ (er, well, was) clear text, and I would be _shocked_ if CIA/NSA weren't monitoring it. Wouldn't we be safer with bad guys coordinating on Parler than on Signal.
I don't think there would be a significant proportion of people that would advocate for Signal to become centralized so it would allow moderation by a central authority.
Another perhaps more cynical take is that even if there is hate-speech and other undesirable communication in Signal, it's not seen so people aren't concerned about it. As they say, "out of sight, out of mind." That makes me wonder if expectations would change if people started publishing screenshots of Signal groups with hate-speech. I think they'd be pretty limited to small sizes, so perhaps they wouldn't be as concerning.
Engagement inside Signal is with your existing networks and groups, and can only grow iteratively—not virally/exponentially—it’s a chat app. WhatsApp and Telegram do support and encourage broadcast oriented communication, and personally I do associate WhatsApp with misinformation-fueled violence in countries where it’s the first exposure people have to internet-style mass direct communication.
Signal invented new cryptography to justify its existence. WhatsApp scaled chat, SMS-analogous to start, for the world to use. Telegram invented secret ways to MitM chat connections, and wasn’t under US influence. Parler exists to make a political statement in the current US political context.
The way I see it, Signal will not make it any easier for outsiders to get radicalized (there's no public forum aspect), but once people are already radicalized and connected, it can be used to great mischief. That said, I tend to be liberal on this topic, and I feel the benefits of across-the-board E2E encryption to society outweigh the risks. But it seems likely to me that that principle is about to be sorely tested.
shireboy's point seems to be that it seems inconsistent to want moderation in one type of network and not mind not having it in the other. Though, it's possible that the users supporting the moderation are different than those supporting e2e networks.
Makes me wonder if with data, math and statistics 'right' or 'left' can be distinguished at all: since they are so ambiguous and fluid concepts.
That begs the question which platforms were used for organizing BLM riots for months and why there aren't any consequences?
Companies claiming to uphold democracy are the worst offenders if it makes business or idealogical sense yet HN crowd is cheering. Look at how they are willing to suck upto China, Iran, and even Taliban.
Disclaimer: Trump is a unreliable character so I don't like him personally a lot. But cheering up one-sided suppression without looking at the full picture is distasteful.