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People on the left are mistaken if they think this is going to help. Someone somewhere in the country will plot something. We are playing with fire with these type of restrictions, root causes are not being solved. 75 million people voted for Donald Trump.

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'We really shouldn't deplatform these terrorists because they might just do something extreme' get the fuck out of here.

Bingo. It was that kind of thinking that put Neville Chamberlin in the dunk tank of history.

I’ve warned on the same point. I hope notice is taken before it’s too late.

It’s the neoliberal center that controls the big tech companies, not the left. The left is scrappy neighborhood groups of activists that run soup kitchens and lie down in front of oil pipelines and collect signatures for ballot referendums. They gather in coffee shop bookstores to have book clubs on malatesta. They’re flat broke and half of them are homeless and based on what I’m hearing they’re pretty much convinced that they’re next on the censorship list. I mean you can’t really look at those kids and Jeff Bezos and say, hmm, looks the same to me.

Yep. There's a left wing inside the Democratic party, but the Democratic party is not left wing.

George Soros is not "left wing" Bill Clinton was not "left", and Hilary wasn't either.

It's not even a question of what's relative. They don't even call themselves "left."

I spent much of my 20s and 30s in the organized and unorganized left, as an activist. Back then (90s, mostly), globalization was the enemy, not the goal. We were tear gassed at the Summit of the Americas in Quebec City protesting the negotiation of trade agreements. It's a strange world to see now people lump BLM and Bernie Sanders and your local Trotskyite sect in the same camp as Biden, and "globalists" and "George Soros."

As in 1930s Germany, the far right has adopted certain clasically left positions on certain issues in order to mobilize the working class, but for opposite goals. Many of the slogans chanted in the Capitol building the other day ("whose house? our house?") are directly lifted from left wing activists.

Nothing speaks to the disintegration and loss of the actual socialist left in North America more than the fact people can't identify them anymore from the background neoliberalism of the American political mainstream.

Yes the left and the (often far) right will recognize the same problem but then put forth very, very different causes of and solutions to those problems. Both contrast with the center that doesn’t even agree there is a problem (e.g. healthcare).

In the case of Hitler and Mussolini it wasn't some organic process of arriving at different solutions to similar problems. They literally looked at how the early socialist movement was successful with working people and outright copied the language and symbolism and then modified it. They were very explicit about what they were doing, hence the "socialist" label in the Nazi name despite having no socialist program. They wanted to recruit those people and divert them to their cause.

Every time I hear one of these Trumpite nutbars go on about the "mainstream media" I have to give my head a shake, because the phraseology is the same as what you'd overhear at a Food Not Bombs event in the 90s or something. But the intent and the ends are entirely entirely different.

They've taken the vacuum left by the disintegration of the left, and filled it nice and full of some really awful stuff.

They will, of course.

No need to make it easy for them to do it. Keep them off large-cast channels, let the FBI watch the small-cast.

75 million people voted for Trump, but 75 million people do not support what happened on Wednesday. A good number of the people that voted for Trump voted for him because they didn’t believe the warnings from the other side about just how unhinged Trump is. And then they got to witness this first hand this week.

There’s still undoubtedly a large group of supporters who believe every word that Trump says, and who he can whip into a frenzy. And that group can absolutely do a lot of damage. But it’s nowhere near 75 million people would would be ok burning democracy down because Trump told them to.

"A good number of the people that voted for Trump voted for him because they didn’t believe the warnings from the other side about just how unhinged Trump is."

Delusional and brainwashed thinking is what you are displaying

https://www.statista.com/chart/23886/capitol-riot-approval/

Half of republicans support the riot

Indeed, those people had 4 years of evidence to see what exactly they were voting for. Those 75 million people get no pass from me. Maybe the first time, but not the second.

74* million people didn't endorse a violent mob attacking the capital, or Trump's attempts to overthrow democracy after his loss.

I'm on "the right", and I want all platforms calling for violence and revolution gone. You if (we) ever want to win another election again, disowning the violence and extremism is step one.

Or are you owning the mob that stormed the capital?

Everything but appeasement with these people is "playing with fire". 82 million people are tired of it.

With only a slight difference...if there is an all out war, 75 million people show up only to counter 6. My opinion is strictly based on the turnouts I’ve seen at their rallies.

Vs 74 million that have a disproportionate amount of weaponry. A disproportionate amount of law enforcement. A disproportionate amount of the military.

I'd take that group to win any day.

You've got the suburbs and inner city's. Controlling big tech, big media, education institutions, aren't going to help in this scenario.

Oh and lot a degrees. Death by paper cuts maybe?

The plural of city is cities.

And money. You forgot that part.

Good point. Someone has to pay for their disability benefits.

When you make it harder, or at least less convenient, for that someone, somewhere, to plot something, you're taking concrete steps to improve public safety and deter crime.

Just because plots will occur is not a reason to avoid making it harder for them to succeed.

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