PeerTube v3
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The great feature of this v3 is live streaming, and we are proud to say that it works very well !
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The main points to remember :
The lag (between video maker and audience) varies between 30 seconds and 1mn, as expected ;
Depending on the power of the server and its load (number of simultaneous live shows, transcoding, etc.), PeerTube can provide hundreds of simultaneous views (but we’re not sure that it will scale to thousands… at least not yet !) ;
Administration options are included for people hosting the instance ;
The features are minimalist by design, and we have documented our recommendations for creating a live ;
The live can be done with most video streaming tool (we recommend the free-libre software OBS), with two options :
An « short-lived » live, with a unique identifier, will offer the possibility to save the video and display a replay on the same link ;
A « permanent » live stream, which will work more like a Twitch channel, but without the replay option."
Peertube is something I’ve been trying again and again from time to time. My main issue is finding instances to follow that are properly moderated. A lot of the suggested instances are filled with stolen content, porn, or just very wtf videos.
I’m hoping that once peertube provides ways for users to sponsor/subscribe-to creators’ peertube channels that more will either jump ship from youtube or at least publish in both platforms.
I didn't find a fast way to un-follow all those automatically-followed instances though.
The service that competes with youtube but is less convenient will necessarily be full of content banned from youtube.
Plus, they were immediately and almost universally banned by other instances in the fediverse
https://www.reddit.com/r/Mastodon/comments/ie49qp/is_gab_sti...
https://www.reddit.com/r/Mastodon/comments/ie49qp/is_gab_sti...
I don't think they ever really cared about decentralisation/federation. Seems they just wanted a nice codebase to work from.
Sorry for solving people's problem instead of being entertaining like a network TV series.
Of course this sapped any desire to create a video again whenever I spend weeks finding a solution and then discover it.
I'd rather make a cent from PeerTube than $0 from YT.
https://peertube.nielsemmer.com/videos/local?a-state=42 Documentaries, scitech talks, a few explanatory videos
https://tilvids.com/ Varied. 'Fun facts' videos, educational, cooking, mythology, music, ...
https://peerkids.com/videos/trending?a-state=42 Peertube for kids - cartoons, education stuff from TEDEd, PBS, etc. that look fun and well-made
https://peertube.opencloud.lu/videos/overview Privacy, how-to videos, conference talks
https://share.tube/videos/most-liked?a-state=42 Tech reviews and opinions, FOSS tools, gaming, etc.
https://v.pfaff.dev/videos/most-liked?a-state=42 Tech tool reviews, privacy
https://conf.tube/ Conference talks
(I collected these some time back in response to someone asking for this, appropriately enough, on Mastodon.)
With the exception of the first one that 404s, every one of these is going to get a lot of use in our house!
Do other peertube instances share the bandwidth or just share links to the original server? Would it make sense for me to setup a peertube instance purely to act as a caching proxy on my network?
in my mind there will eventually be a tipping point, but it doesn't need to happen immediately. It would be nice to see more media establish a presence there though.
edit: one of my favorite PeerTube instances is https://tilvids.com -- an edutainment video community.
I'm in favour of it, and hope it does well. But at the same time, constant growth itself doesn't mean that much.
There's a big difference between slow constant growth and explosive constant growth. Something can constantly grow yet still remain something most people have never heard of. I think Linux on the desktop is a reasonable example of this.
The alternatives will likely be constantly growing as well.
> in my mind there will eventually be a tipping point
it's going to be difficult to compete against YouTube... there has to be some reason why people use it instead of YouTube.
The value of such a thing has a lot to do with how many people use it and how much content there is. You need users to give incentive for people to upload content. And you need content to incentivize new users.
Tech diversity in itself is a value, even if the niche players never leave the niche for the most part. Diversity allows for adaptability in a changing environment/crisis.
I believe the mass social network epoche is about to end, as the advertisement/influence ecosystem is eating up its island's last trees. The dream of the global internet failed, for reasons we can't fix. ActivityPub is much better fitting a fragmented network.
When people bring up desktop Linux, I always bring up that Linux impacts 100% of internet users because of its presence running web applications, and it impacts however many people who use Android or other Linux devices (embedded/IoT). Automotive is even a huge sector these days.
Yes, Android runs on Linux, yet that is 100% meaningless for app developers targeting Android.
Web developers don't care about what OS the browser is running on.
Native Android developers have a Java Framework and Kotlin libraries to work with, which are completely unrelated to Linux.
However they also have the NDK, one would say. Yes, indeed.
So what are the public APIs?
https://developer.android.com/ndk/guides/stable_apis
And recent versions will kill apps that try to be clever and access private APIs,
https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2016/06/android-ch...
https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2017/07/seccomp-fi...
As for automotive, while Automotive Grade Linux is getting some love, it is still not an option for real time requirements.
But those issues aren't fixed with Linux, but rather with CPUs design for hard real-time usage.
That still isn't a match for something like INTEGRITY OS, vxWorks, QNX when human lives are at risk.
Or why despite using an heavily modified Linux kernel as basis for Azure Sphere, Microsoft rather advocates Azure RTOS for real time tasks.
https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/internet-of-things/co...
Or why the Linux Foundation, ironically pushes Zephyr for such purposes, completely unrelated to Linux source code.
I had non-technical people in my family asking me Youtube alternatives because they were afraid of censorship. I think the reasons are already there[0] but there are no "peertube marketing department" taking care of conversion.
http://angryjoeshow.com/ajsa/forums/topic/10325-youtube-beco...
http://angryjoeshow.com/ajsa/forums/topic/10553-youtube-copy...
https://web.archive.org/web/20200806101856/http://www.joueur... (fr)
But in 2013 there were no real alternatives. This has started to change in the recent years.
Why do so many people insist on Growth and Largest, as metrics for 'success'?
My local pub is a success. They are not worlds' largest pub. My Mom and Granny don't go there. They don't have parties with millions of people crammed in the place. Etc.
Why can't Linux be called 'a success', the very moment that it helps one person? Why don't we call Mastodon or Peertube a success the very moment a tiny group of people uses and likes it? Why do we insist that Peertube is only successful when my mom and my Granny use it? Why do we insist on huge market shares to call open source successful?
True.
But my point is that you could call both "a success" the moment that one singular person uses it as alternative. For that person it is a success!
With Peertube you need some network-effect, because one single person uploading and then watching those videos, can't be called "a success". But if a tiny niche, say a small group of specialist beekeepers, uses it to share instructional videos and no-one else in the entire world uses it, it can still be called "a success". Because for them it offers a solution.
> they (the local pub) would have a much harder time selling something unique
> Scale ...becomes the default choice
Scale and monopoly removes choice and uniqueness.
There are people that love Starbucks, there are also people that love their local coffee shop.
Quantity has a quality of its own, and it's not always a good thing.
That said, commercially, it is hard to argue with adoption as a metric. Problem is, focusing on that metric results in the same bs as in the real world: consumer ( crap tier ) and business ( good tier that tends to have good options if you are willing to spend money ).
I wonder if paradoxically federated communication would let you improve the quality of discourse by more proactively banning people. Mastadon works on a federated system where anyone can run they're own "instance" which can then interact with other instances pretty seamlessly. Since people really can leave if they don't like the rules you could be pretty heavy handed with moderation within individual instances to ban obnoxious people or have an invite only system.
PeerTube was a little rougher around the edges, but still very impressive for being pretty new and doing p2p video streaming. There was more lag than YouTube but with decent internet it's fine. The choices for instances aren't great and storage size and bandwith are limited. Storage/bandwith cost money though and that may just be making what's an invisible cost on YouTube visible.
My Mastodon: https://fosstodon.org/@argosopentech
My PeerTube: https://peervideo.club/video-channels/argosopentech/videos
As for improving discourse, I think you are exactly right. Unlike big tech Masto mods don't have the weight of the world on their shoulders and can moderate however. Nazi pits will still exist, but they'll be isolated.
My understanding is I could backup (no plans), and restore to another instance. To take my followers with me I would have to leave peervideo.club in a more planned way and set my account to redirect to another. No idea how long the redirect would have to stay up for most of my subscribers' instances to get the message. Even with federated you need some degree of trust that you won't be kicked off or have you instance shut down with no warning.
In a way that already happened. The biggest Mastodon instance is now the infamous 'alt-right' 'chan'-like community Gab.
That you haven't even noticed it shows that Mastodon might be immune to "Eternal September" issues.
Wikipedia is not completely clear about the subject ("customized Mastodon fork") :
Direct link to screenshot of post from someone from Gab (from the above page): https://todon.nl/system/media_attachments/files/105/362/596/...
Here's the commit that removes the Public/All timeline (the above image mentions that removal): https://code.gab.com/gab/social/gab-social/-/commit/7ad7fe06... Couldn't find when exactly Federation capability was removed, since that's less obvious from the commit messages (as someone who doesn't know Mastodon internals).
It's still based on the Mastodon fork, but they seem to have been changing the code constantly even before this (based on information under #gab on Mastodon), so it's not clear how much it resembles the Mastodon source by now.
PS: Somehow looking at the source repo and commit messages makes this more "real" for me, more than any screenshots or the user-facing site itself. It's a weird feeling.
It's amazing how much was achieved with so little money. Compared to many startups that raised 1M for a year and barely have a product after that.
If Silicon Valley continues to drift into ideological activism, at some point a hugely profitable opportunity to set up a new advertising network develops.
The technology behind the fediverse is an important brick, so PeerTube 3 is interesting. But the house will only be liveable when someone figures out how companies like AppNexus integrate profitably and successfully into the fediverse.
It’s an important thing, not the important thing.
This is a great alternative to sharing large video files with others by having someone else just watch what they want of it, if you want to ensure it’s more permanent than- let’s say- Google Music.
If the fear is that an evil Google competitor will come along that will do more damage- this wouldn’t enable that. That would take a serious amount of funding and technology, not a free clone of YouTube without all of the infrastructural backing.
0: https://techcrunch.com/2019/08/21/youtube-is-closing-its-pri...
I've never even heard of that 'direct share' feature, but have used the private and unreferenced settings on my videos many times over the years.
The better question is, was not having ads on the YouTube platform a deliberate choice to help grow adoption over its competitors which would have had to have ads to run (at the time) the expensive servers?
YouTube started moderating it's content more because advertisers asked for it. No large advertiser wants to be shown next to a neo-nazi video.
Accounting for business owners likely leaning free-market, it seems improbable that they mean 'Trump supporters' when they say 'we don't want to advertise with neo-nazis'. They probably mean literal neo-nazi.
I don't mind if literal neo-nazi are moderated off a channel. Nobody likes them.
If they weren't happy, they would delete the videos on demonetisation. They don't have to pay for hosting. They know these videos are drawing in a valuable audience.
I am happy to see content platforms policing thought in this manner!
Yes roughly 2-3x the people are dying everyday vs 5 months ago. That’s horrible obviously but I barely see anyone in a close setting.
But people are living despite it. My friend is dating 3 to 7 girls at once and they all know each other (and all hang out together).
Not saying that’s ideal but the pandemic isn’t affecting people like cable news suggest. Barely anyone talks about it but we all try to be careful.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-51729647
(Note that this is from March! When I left Taiwan in late January, everyone at the airport was masked up and slightly paranoid.)
Taiwan and NZ also closed their borders while Western experts "knew" that the coronavirus was just the flu, and that closing borders was xenophobic, racism is the real pandemic, etc. etc.
2020 is easily the year when Western experts failed the hardest I've ever witnessed. Absolutely surreal. Maybe we should fire and replace our current selection of experts before we ban everyone else.
So nice to see sycophantic unintelligent “hackers” promote blind authoritarianism. You have no concept of the words you so ambitiously spout.
No parent has time to watch TV with their child all the time up until they're 18. You might say 'well don't let them watch TV' and that's a valid choice. But other parents want to choose safe ranges of programming and have someone else police stuff to make sure it stays in that range.
Playing into this idea that somehow criticism isn't allowed is disingenuous.
I’m sure you realize how difficult this would be to respond to, if such videos were in fact deleted.
Nonetheless, https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/youtube-facebook-spli...
Most advertisers probably already understand that the person being exposed to their content for a brief moment isn't under the impression that the ad doesn't mean strong endorsement of the content by the advertiser.
https://www.vox.com/2018/12/13/18136253/pewdiepie-vs-tseries...
The issue is that a fair reading is not being applied evenly. Twitter interprets "To all of those who have asked, I will not be going to the Inauguration on January 20th" [0] as a call to violence. That isn't even close to a fair metaphorical reading, and it was probably meant literally.
[0] https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2020/suspensio...
You can argue that's not fair to Trump, and don't pretend his accounts were banned for the literal meaning of the words, when the post you linked to makes clear the thinking behind the decision.
At that point, you wouldn’t be able to say the video game was not a cause. This is not blaming Trump for abstract violence in general, but for specific violence that he called for actually happening.
It is not a perfect system, but I think banning based on result is not an unfair system.
I’d say that Trump’s calls to violence are pretty credible.
Has Twitter been made aware of this person and won’t suspend their account?
If your main goal is "How can I make money?" then maybe. And that's one of the huge reasons that YouTube is the mess that it is.
For the rest of us, this is not important at all. In fact, I am happy that there is no advertiser network whatsoever. if I put something on the web, I do not do it because I expect compensation. I am not alone in this sentiment.
PeerTube needs content creators to get on board. Having options for monetizing content could encourage creators to use PeerTube.
Most videos are made by professionals? That's not my experience.
That's the problem right there. "Content creators". Protein factories churning out videos for money.
Not every platform needs "content creators" - sometimes people with interesting things to share are enough, and these tend to use side revenue to fund their sharing.
Others mostly need to match their hobbies with a side job.
Many of the YouTube channels I consume didnt start for any other reason than making things for others. They found popularity and decided to make a go at doing it professionally. Making quality content cost money and time. Expecting everybody to make videos on their own dime for posterity is unrealistic.
There's a possibility to add donation links and the icon is then visible on every video. Patreon is big for a reason: people actually use it.
I'd rather donate to the content creators I want to see thrive than be bombarded with ads for things I don't want anyway.
The peertube devs refuse to incorporate monetization beyond donations, but they DO have a plugin system. It's not beyond imagination for someone (person or group) to add something like "paid scrobbling" where people add e.g 5€ on their account and then it's divided depending on certain criteria. That criteria could be for example:
- always give 50% to my subscriptions
- give the rest to creators of videos that I have watched which:
* have these tags
* are longer than 5 minutes
* and that I have watched at least 50% or 5 minutes of, which ever comes first
Tada. No ads, user-defined distribution of resources, yada yada.
I was hoping that Flattr would be able to provide a Chromium-free, 'Brave-like' experience, especially with their browser plugin, but if anything it has been losing popularity (despite being years older than Patreon!).
For a reason that escapes me, they even recently decided to officially remove their plugin, so now they can even hardly be differentiated from the other Patreon-likes.
Flattr uses credit cards exclusively, Liberapay only uses Stripe, Patreon a host of third parties but no direct transfers, and I have checked out the rest.
Why can't I just transfer the amount I want, when I want, directly to another bank without an intermediary? I'm fine with the donation subscription service knowing how much and to whom I'm donating and taking out but why does it have to talk to so many other services I haven't picked or agreed to interact with?
False. The continued growth of Vimeo and even YouTube show this as well.
> Advertising isn't the only solution but it does allow viewers to watch without paying.
False.
> PeerTube needs content creators to get on board.
If by "content creators" you mean Fuck Jerry Media or whoever, then no, it really doesn't. If by "content creators" you just mean "those who create content without the expectation of financial gain" then PeerTube is doing ok.
> Having options for monetizing content could encourage creators to use PeerTube.
Again, if "How do I monetize this?" is your primary reason for the content, maybe the content doesn't need to be there. That's the point that people are missing.
If your goal is "make money" instead of "share useful information" then you are part of this problem.
If it is not moderated, it will just be filled with spam, porn, and insane rambling.
If it is moderated it can be attacked and/or controlled.
It's a lose/lose situation.
Besides the unwanted cognitive load it imposes, advertisers want feedback and that means they're incentivized to invade my privacy as well as intrude upon my attention.
Just to be clear (and pedantic): Peertube is French.
One could see these fediversed projects as counter-SV, actually. Not 'coming from SV', but attacking the SV status quo.
https://degooglisons-internet.org/en/
And have pretty much became a reference for libre alternatives :
https://degooglisons-internet.org/en/alternatives
† By the way it's a very SV thing to do to think that everything revolves around SV, and therefore excluding Microsoft from the list of the problematic companies. (And including Netflix, which is problematic in its own ways, but at least an order of magnitude less than the "big 5".) Sadly, some politicians have also been dropping the trailing M, I guess that those big contracts with the military and the healthcare sector have something to do with that…
After the "Adpocalypse" where the money you could make from advertisement significantly dropped for most creators, they recognized that relying only on Youtube is a bad idea and diversified. Since then other avenues (Twitch, Patreon, merch, ad placements) have become their primary sources of income.
For mid-size creators Youtube ads are not enough to make a living from it and for big creators with low production expenses (e.g. gaming videos) that _could_ make a living from it, it's not a significant portion of their income if they diversified (and most creators that haven't are not on the platform anymore).
On a more serious note, this release looks awesome! I wonder if at some point, the real value add / perceived value of search and / or discovery on streaming and video platforms will cease to be relevant. It seems like search / reach is quickly becoming the only reason creators who directly monetize content distribute their content solely on YouTube.
Or is that a feature? Are humans actually ready for the internet? I am not so sure. Just visited parler, and imagine a whole world filled with bat shit. Crazy, right?
It isn't anyone's job to rescue Parler. They're locked into a cloud provider, and that was their own doing. If they can't survive, tough kitty.
However, an open internet, with the ability to run apps outside of app stores (needed for new peer to peer stuff to thrive), and use of crypto would mean someone could make a Parler. Mastodon and Matrix have had major controversies.
It has “problematic” works like Huckleberry Finn, Satanic Diaries and To Kill a Mockingbird.
It has works written by known racists such as HP Lovecraft, TS Elliot, Roald Dahl, Dr Seuss and Kingsley Amis.
It has hard copies of dangerous films that have been memoyholed by Prime and Netflix like Gone With The Wind and The Jazz Singer. It may also have DVDs that have been produced, directed and acted in by vile, cancelled individuals like Kevin Spacey, Louise CK, Harvey Weinstein, or Mel Gibson.
Good God, it might even have a copy of the Jenna in blackface episode from the third season of 30 Rock. I am clutching my pearls and getting the vapors just thinking about it.
What exactly do you mean by that?
* Trump has been bannned from Twitter.
* Trump has attempted to use the POTUS account, and had those tweets removed.
* Trump has been removed from Facebook.
* Trump has been banned from Twitch.
* The Discord server for the_donald has been banned from Discord.
* Parler has been removed from the Google Play Store and the App Store.
* AWS has announced plans to discontinue Parler's hosting.
And I think that's about it, for very recently. For those who support Trump, "deplatforming" is a major concern, as Trump has now lost access to essentially all of his base via social media. Once he's out of office, he's not going to have anywhere near as significant a reach as he may have.
There are also a lot of people who are concerned about the dangerous precedent being set, regardless of whether they support this individual or not.
And it’s trivial for someone kicked off of the big social media networks to make there own website and post whatever they want.
He was elected because conservative opinions have been given so little credence versus liberal opinions on the biggest platforms that they turned to someone who would fight those platforms head on.
Liberal voices and opinions have been lauded, applauded, and promoted more than their fair share by most media and social media platforms for decades. That has created deep resentment in large areas of the country.
Donald Trump is a symptom of the disease that American politics and the associated media outlets have contracted. He is not the disease itself.
The way he is acting is not that surprising to anyone who pays attention to his personality. And the response in the last week by media and social media and big tech companies has also not been surprising, although I think they should have been more measured.
But the underlying problem still remains. De-platforming Donald Trump will not fix the broken and biased system. And every move and countermove escalates the resentment.
I’m from a small town in the upper Midwest. My entire childhood and teenage years were dominated by Rush Limbaugh/Charlie Sykes/et al on the radio and Fox News on the television (always Fox News). Did NPR/CNN/etc exist? Sure - but I (literally) didn’t know anyone who listened/watched them until college.
This idea that conservatives are being crushed under the boot of “liberal” media feels like a cop-out. Conservative politicians could have gone big tent in the 80-90’s, but they didn’t. They focused on consolidation of a specific demographic and are now in a kerfluffal because that base is becoming a cultural minority.
Edit: also - the resentment was always there. Go listen to Rush in the 90s. Nothing about what conservatives are complaining about is new.
I think this is roughly equivalent to Visa telling you that it won't do business with you. Which they recently did with Pornhub.
There doesn't seem to be many good solutions. The Refragmentation (http://paulgraham.com/re.html) was the only pg essay I truly disliked, because I didn't want it to be true. Yet here we are.
Article: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/johnpaczkowski/amazon-p...
And HN discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25708142
If both Visa and Mastercard happened to have banned you, them being pretty much the only two players in the market, you would be pretty much fucked.
Meanwhile there were tons of ways to be hosted, including self-hosting.
Nowadays I'm not so sure, both Visa/Mastercard duopoly doesn't seem to be as uncontested as before, and AWS kept growing ?
https://twitter.com/DaveLeeFT/status/1347724204473372672
Press releases rely on press organisations to distribute, which aren't under Trump's control, unlike his previous social media accounts, which had a reach of millions by themselves.
I am not trying to impute any kind of values onto these facts. They're just things that have happened around the deplatforming of Trump, post 6th January.
If served with an injunction by a court, or if the user failed to pay their bills, those are the only cases in which you would see them stop serving a client.
EDIT: Just checked and it’s resolving to Cloudflare IPs where I’m at. Same same but different I guess.
I support the other "deplatformings" (he loooong had it coming), and am neutral about AWS, but this is bullshit. Google, and especially Apple (where there's no workarounds) shouldn't have the right to ban generic software like that !
My point is that, since Gab "joined" Mastodon, nothing of what you have predicted happened to Mastodon. My hope is that the same things will (not) happen to Peertube, for the same reasons.
Opensource devs and maintainers could all from each other and collaborate together.
Damn... I sound like a business person that throws around words like synergy.
When I did the upgrade, I didn't see any mention of how much memory is going to be needed for streaming (in particular if you have multiple streams going in parallel).
Instead, when I remember that time (Google Video still was a competitor), things like these come to mind :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpKqQxTURik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0cq2ymJu7g
(ok, this last one actually predates YouTube by a decade :
https://web.archive.org/web/19991012210910/http://tie-tanic....
"Expect about a 4 hour download time for the 48 Meg. [13 min? 5 min? QuickTime .mov] Version using a 56K connection." )
You can use that to first find the videos you like and decide if you like the instances they are on.
Edit: To be honest, I spend 20 minutes on youtube trying to find the stuff that I want to watch and give up often too. Their content discovery really is terrible and only shows the highest rated and most watched, which doesn't help if you've watched them already.
Maybe that's just a bad topic and no one is uploading golf content to PeerTube.
I get it's not like a trans atlantic line connecting continents and bandwidth etc... but other than jamming it would be "free". The other paranoia is hardware backdoor/software itself eg. AES encryption... seems overkill
If I add this and another peertube syncs with mine it sounds like I would still be responsible for bandwidth to their users watching my videos from their peertube?
Does any have experience with how much bandwidth is saved from p2p part? Given my content I imagine most users will not be watching same videos at same time so p2p is negligible benefit.
Edit: https://framacolibri.org/t/fonctionnalite-live-retour-dutili...
Check this link. It has a user test the live. One screenshot shows 1 GB from server, 9 GB from peers. 15 GB upload.
I would love to use peertube but the webhosting infrastructure I use would never be able to provide the large bandwidth needed for seeding videos. I do have ample bandwidth on non web hosting servers though.
If you would live in a country where CP is accepted, rent a server or VPS there, get your domain there, get SSL there, and maybe accept only local payments, you'd be 'fine'. As in: nothing will stop you.
You can replace CP with 'copyrighted material', or 'political activity' etc. in above.
Turned around: the providers, and/or operators of a node (server, instance) are liable. Not the platform.
As it should be, IMO.
I wish Americans would grow up and learn to coexist.
Edit: I should add that the threshold for Youtube demonetization is probably lower than the threshold for getting a subreddit banned, so maybe Peertube won't face the same fate. The federated model might help too, does each Peertube instance behave like a separate community? Are there any instances with communities yet?
I don't know about instances with communities, but at least the Blender community has an instance.
"… What about Twitter? I have no idea what Twitter is good for. But if it flips out every tyrant in the Middle East, I'm interested." - Michael Rogers, Founder, Practical Futurist; Futurist-in-Residence, New York Times Company[0]
http://web.archive.org/web/20140531073143/http://www.cfr.org...
And this.
Any other arbitrary facts we should share?
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25708006.
"Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive."
We ban accounts that consistently disrespect those rules and ignore our requests to correct this. What else would we do? The alternative is to allow a minority of flamewarring users to destroy the entire commons for everybody.
As for 'sweeping dissent under the rug', that's not what we're doing at all. People with contrarian views and people with non-contrarian views both need to follow the rules here.
Is there any reason cultural-wise to suggest why that may be?