Sriwijaya Air flight SJ182, a Boeing 737, has disappeared from radar
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In that phase of flight, pressurization would be just starting to build, I wonder how many cycles that 26 year old airframe has on it?
Also, is it known if there was anyone of major political or financial consequence on board? Getting to that altitude is also a common trigger for barometric switches.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EgyptAir_Flight_990#/media/Fil...
What concerns me about the cockpit lockable doors is how obviously it would lead to tragedy (e.g. Germanwings) - I’d have hoped that the locks would open if unusual aircraft attitude changes were detected - because what’s the point of keeping the cockpit door locked if the aircraft is already erratic? Chances are something weird is going on in the flight deck and it’s in the pax’ best-interests if the cabin-crew can get in.
> the aircraft suddenly went into a rapid dive nose-first, resulting in weightlessness (zero-g) throughout the cabin. Despite this, the captain was able to fight the zero-g and re-enter the cockpit
I'm just saying it takes less than a second to hit a ditch or another plane or commo tower while taxi-ing on the ground. Or suddenly do almost anything when you're 50 feet off the ground at takeoff surrounded by all sorts of interesting ground targets to hit. Drop the landing gear or flaps at the wrong speed at a low altitude. I suppose someone indecisive or having medical / drug issues could take a long time to talk themselves up to it hours into the flight.
There is one situation I'd expect a crash halfway thru climbout right after takeoff and from military experience if a load is incorrectly lashed down in the cargo hold and lets say the strapdowns in the front of a tank or howitzer are installed correctly but the ones in the back snap or were incorrectly attached or the tiedowns rusted off LOL (I suppose it happens) then sliding a tank or an artillery piece thru the nose of the plane while in flight will make quite a mess. Yes I'm well aware a civie 737 is not a military C130 but the general case holds that's just about the right time in a flight profile for something in the cargo hold to start sloshing around if not strapped down correctly.
Plenty of opportunity for cascading failure. Trivial to engineer a cargo system where one thing breaking loose cannot screw up weight/balance enough to crash the plane. But one thing breaks loose, slides at high speed into another thing breaking it loose, now you got two uncontrolled loads sloshing around in turbulence, repeat, repeat...
I'm also well aware that a 737 is not a military transport in WWII but there was a documented problem with sabotage in WWII where enemy agents dumped water into the rotary engine oil system and the water eventually boiled about ten minutes into flight, steam popped open the oil system, the engines seized without oil, the mechanics got blamed and the agents continued their work because no evidence just water... Obviously almost certainly not the situation now, but the general idea of "it gets up to full temp a couple minutes into flight" remains valid. I wonder what happens to the airframe if an engine bearing catastrophically seizes and cold welds itself in flight. At minimum I bet the entire engine tears itself off the pylon. Worst case maybe the engine takes the wing with it even if its not supposed to. AFAIK the shroud around engines is supposed to be able to eat a turbine blade that snaps off to prevent damage to the wing, but maybe there's a freak situation of the engine disassembling itself in flight such that the shield shroud thing is blown off milliseconds before the turbine blades are shed into the wing...
I'd extend my remarks based on radar data from
http://www.b737.org.uk/incident_pk-clc.htm
This is a very low performance aircraft (In the sense of not like a F-16) and 11 seconds isn't long enough to intentionally maneuver from a normal climbout based on radar transponder data into falling out of the sky. A F-16 could turn 40 degrees and point straight down in 11 seconds but a 737 literally can't, so essentially it went from a normal climbout to cloud of parts falling from the sky slower than the plane at cruise. The radar transponder profile looks a lot different for a plane in one piece under control pointed at the ground. Pieces of aircraft are not aerodynamic at all, which is why parts fell at 10K to 20K feet/min but the groundspeed collapsed from 300 kts to 100 kts in eleven seconds. I'm honestly not sure even a F-16 can drop from 300 kts to 100 kts in eleven seconds in a steep dive, although a random collection of torn metal falling from the sky can do that.
Its interesting that if you google for the flight manual data for a 737, best maneuvering speed to handle maximal turbulence loads is just a couple knots below best climb speed, which the plane was at. So if a pilot was suicidal, he tried to pull the wings off at exactly the flight condition where the plane was strongest; no pilot is uneducated enough to make a noob error that huge. Pull up as hard as you can at cruise, sure. Wiggle the rudder as hard as humanly possible (usually due to crosswind) while landing has torn tails off planes. But try to pull the wings off when flying at manuevering speed? That's just dumb. So no the pilot almost certainly was not suicidal.
Very scary and impressive videos of the crash on YouTube
Anyway - this is why I’m glad I’m not involved in safety-engineering because supposing that setting sensible defaults that reduce accidents in 99.999% of cases would lead to horrible terrifying deaths in 0.001% of cases (e.g. one-way lockable reinforced cockpit doors) would be too much on my mind.
In fact just that happened on EgyptAir flight 990. A suicidal copilot was able to crash the plane even with another pilot present, and that happened from a higher altitude.
The French and German agencies investigating Germanwings 9525 ruled it a suicide.
Keep in mind it's not that the flight attendant can pilot a plane, it's that they can unlock the door to let the other pilot back in the cockpit.
While it is unlikely, it's still a possibility, and one that Delta, at least, is worried about happening.
Medical events and incidents that cause incapacitation of a flying pilot are rare, but less rare than suicide by pilot incidents.
Consider what would have happened on BA 5390, for example, if only one pilot had been in the cockpit with the cockpit door locked.
All points to fuselage maintenance
Are you implying that fire couldn't interfere with control of a non FBW aircraft?
The only electric parts of the primary control system are the electrically-driven auxiliary (backup) hydraulic pumps, the stick shaker (stall warning), and the motor for pitch trim (located in the cockpit, connected to the trim wheel). Unlike the MAX, the classics have a large pitch trim wheel with lots of leverage, so you really can fly it with manual trim.
In the event of a full hydraulic failure, the ailerons can be operated mechanically from either seat, and pitch can be controlled via the elevator trim mentioned above.
Of course suicide is another possibility in such cases.
Why?
WIII 090800Z 28008KT 4000 -RA BKN016 OVC018 26/24 Q1006 NOSIG= WIII 090730Z 30006KT 5000 -RA FEW017CB OVC018 25/24 Q1006 NOSIG=
So, light rain and light winds, 4km vis and broken at 1600ft. Very benign conditions for any plane, never mind a well maintained 737.
This will drastically improve as the grid decarbonizes. However, we really should be focusing on swapping out the drive trains on 2000-2020’s most popular models.
If you weren't, few car accidents would occur due to poorly maintained vehicles, but fewer people would be able to afford to drive.
Humans are the weak link.
https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/3v1hzj/how_do_old...
https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/air-transport/2019-1...
https://nbaa.org/aircraft-operations/safety/faa-recommends-p...
Children of the Magenta Line is a great presentation on automation dependence and quite funny at moments. https://youtu.be/5ESJH1NLMLs
(The GPS flight plan track is standardized to be drawn in magenta.)
https://www.easa.europa.eu/sites/default/files/dfu/review_of...
They're all perishable skills and it's left me rusty on everything from boat handling to nav to CPR (BLS is an extremely perishable skill - used to do BLS refreshers every two weeks). On call outs, I can the difference in all the crew - even those on the job for decades. Things just aren't as smooth.
I can't wait to get vaccinated and back into training. Otherwise, I worry we're going to start making mistakes.
https://cpr.heart.org/en/cpr-courses-and-kits/healthcare-pro...
From the linked page:
What does this course teach?
High-quality CPR for adults, children, and infants
The AHA Chain of Survival, specifically the BLS components
Important early use of an AED [Automated External Defibrillator]
Effective ventilations using a barrier device
Importance of teams in multirescuer resuscitation and performance as an effective team member during multirescuer CPR
Relief of foreign-body airway obstruction (choking) for adults and infants
I've been reading some concerning analyses by supply chain experts documenting the increasing stresses and failures in supply chains throughout the economy. Basically, you can't change this much, this fast, across so many interlinked systems and not cause significant unexpected failures.
And most accidents happened before June, which was still relatively early on in the pandemic.
Not saying this is the reason of the crash, but just it wouldn't surprise me if that was the case.
There is a valid counter argument that planes are built to fly and nothing seems to attract problems like hanger queens that just sit there. Seals dry out, birds nest, corrosion is arguably worse on the ground that on flying planes...
Its interesting that the linked airline has no documented google-able history of maintenance related problems, but their pilots have repeatedly historically done some real cowboy stuff like land at the wrong airport and several episodes of "the weather isn't really that bad" turning out to be vastly optimistic. I would guess past performance predicting future performance would indicate it is much more likely to be an operations failure rather than maint...
I thought it was like riding a bicycle - you don't forget. While that's true to an extent, I was told that you do "lose your edge" without constant practice. (I'm sure every developer knows what is like to go back to a language after a year of not using it).
I'm not suggesting that it's a factor here, just wanted to give a different angle to the low flight volume.
That was in regard to mid-air refueling but I’m sure it extends to other skills as well.