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> Yes. They are de facto fascists.

Jesus that's insane. No, no they are not. Do you not see the danger we're about to enter into? You're saying 70 million people are "de factor fascists" .. what the fuck does that even mean?!

Have you been out to a farm in Tennessee? Have you ever walked with a group of friends through the blue watering holes of Georgia? Have you broke bread and had dinner with them? I grew up in Tennessee. I will no condemn the views of 70 million people I do not know because the TV tells me they are "fascists," which is pretty much Orwellian DoubleSpeak and means absolutely nothing today.

You do not know these people. If you did, you would not say such things. You are trapped in a bubble where you are scared out of your mind, and that fear will help this republic fall and strip rights away from every human being in America and maybe even the world over the next four years.

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> You do not know these people.

Sure I do. I know exactly who these people are. Yes, there is a spectrum of Trump support among them, and it's entirely your choice to try to weasel around the point here all you want, but at the end of the day, these people have willing supported (and many are continuing to support) a would-be nationalist, fascist dictator.

There's simply no excuse for that, and I personally will not simply forgive and forget.

Anyone who continues to excuse or support Trump after yesterday's events willfully supports sedition and treason. The Rubicon has been crossed, they no longer get to prevaricate about him being strong on China or jobs or immigration, or being the least worst possible option on the table.

If you're still willing to support Trump or excuse his actions, you're a fascist.

> If you're still willing to support Trump or excuse his actions, you're a fascist

If you think this way, you're deranged. This is how religion starts. This is how wars start. If a war started, the righteous would not prevail. They rarely do. Wars almost always lead to autocracies. America was a rare exception. I guess that time may be coming to an end soon.

The war has already started, and Trump supporters were the ones who declared it. It started when white nationalist militia members in collaboration with the President and his party launched an insurrection to disrupt the government's certification of electoral votes in a futile attempt to invalidate the election of Trump's successor and the will of the people, and install him into power instead.

And it's telling that you're blaming the people upset about that for any possible consequences rather than the Trump supporters who stormed the Capital with pipe bombs, guns, knives and zip-ties for taking hostages, believing in a fictitious conspiracy theory about a stolen election.

Neo-nazis looted the Capital while some asshole dressed like a buffalo took selfies with the police who let them in like guests, and i'm deranged?

> And it's telling that you're blaming the people upset about that for any possible consequences rather than the Trump supporters who stormed the Capital with pipe bombs, guns, knives and zip-ties for taking hostages, believing in a fictitious conspiracy theory about a stolen election

Pipe bombs were in the DNC/RNC headquarters and not done by this group.

They didn't have "guns, knifes and zip-ties" .. I think there were 4 charged with guns? None of them used them. The only person shot and killed was a Capitol Officer shooting blindly into a crowd, hitting a white unarmed woman, nearly hitting another Federal Officer. I wonder if he'll face charges. I wonder if that woman will get memorials in her honor. Did you know she was an Air Force veteran?

There are videos of the people in the capitol taking selfies with capitol police and walking around peacefully. Weird coup.

> Neo-nazis

I saw people who supported Tump. I didn't see any neo nazis. There was one man with a communist tattoo, and some fucking QAnon idiot with a racoon on his head who should go to federal prison.

If you really think this was some kind of insurrection, I feel sorry for you. It was nothing of the sort. It was pittance compared to the burning down of a fucking police station by BLM rioters.

"oh I'm so scared. The peasants in the village have made their way into the royal court and sat at our golden seats and found our candy desk!"

Anyone who broke or stole anything will face federal charges and will go away (and should). But classifying that entire group the way you have is disingenuous. Especially compared to the rioting and looting that's been endorsed and encourages as being good and righteous by the left wing media.

The media has told us setting things on fire by BLM is fine for months and now they're acting like 1/10th of that is the end of democracy.

> “But it is not enough for me to stand before you tonight and condemn riots. It would be morally irresponsible for me to do that without, at the same time, condemning the contingent, intolerable conditions that exist in our society. These conditions are the things that cause individuals to feel that they have no other alternative than to engage in violent rebellions to get attention. And I must say tonight that a riot is the language of the unheard.” -Dr. Martin Luther King Jr

It's astonishing that you're walking away from yesterday with this point of view. It's not worth the time to continue arguing with you.

>Pipe bombs were in the DNC/RNC headquarters and not done by this group.

Unless you want to claim it's sheer coincidence, I'm pretty sure those were planted by extremist Trump supporters with the same goals as the group that broke into the Capital. That they were not literally planted by any of those specific people isn't really relevant to the greater point.

Of course, you know that, you're just being pedantic.

>They didn't have "guns, knifes and zip-ties" .. I think there were 4 charged with guns? None of them used them.

So they didn't use them, but they did have them. I guess they just wore them to the insurrection for the cool factor?

And as far as the zip ties go, here's a photo of them[0]. Also Molotov cocktails, forgot to mention those.

>I saw people who supported Tump. I didn't see any neo nazis. There was one man with a communist tattoo, and some fucking QAnon idiot with a racoon on his head who should go to federal prison.

I'm willing to bet the guy parading the Confederate flag through the Capital[1], the guy with the Camp Auschwitz shirt[2] and the 6MWE shirt[3] (it stands for "Six Million (Jews) Weren't Enough", by the way) likely have some neo-nazi sympathies.

And just speaking generally, if you're not aware of the strong white supremacist/antisemitic contingent within the MAGA and QAnon communities, and Trump's populist movement in general, I have to assume you've been living under a rock for the last four years, that maybe you just don't know who the Proud Boys actually are, have never been on any social media where Trump supporters hang out, or something.

>If you really think this was some kind of insurrection, I feel sorry for you. It was nothing of the sort. It was pittance compared to the burning down of a fucking police station by BLM rioters.

Dismiss the right wing, implicate BLM as the greater threat.. if I had to take a shot every time someone did that on HN since yesterday, I would have been dead in two hours.

It was an insurrection. A piss-poor attempt at one, but that's still what it was. The Gunpowder Plot was a failure as well, but no one says Guy Fawkes and his cohort weren't trying to blow up Parliament just because they didn't succeed. Nobody says Richard Reid wasn't a terrorist because he didn't actually manage to set off his shoe bombs.

>"oh I'm so scared. The peasants in the village have made their way into the royal court and sat at our golden seats and found our candy desk!"

I don't even know what this is supposed to be, but it makes you seem infantile.

>Anyone who broke or stole anything will face federal charges and will go away (and should). But classifying that entire group the way you have is disingenuous. Especially compared to the rioting and looting that's been endorsed and encourages as being good and righteous by the left wing media.

BLM again....

>The media has told us setting things on fire by BLM is fine for months and now they're acting like 1/10th of that is the end of democracy.

BLM again, and the media. That's a double shot.

>“But it is not enough for me to stand before you tonight and condemn riots. It would be morally irresponsible for me to do that without, at the same time, condemning the contingent, intolerable conditions that exist in our society. These conditions are the things that cause individuals to feel that they have no other alternative than to engage in violent rebellions to get attention. And I must say tonight that a riot is the language of the unheard.” -Dr. Martin Luther King Jr

And wow. You actually have the gall to invoke MLK in defense of a political ideology which has been primarily fueled by xenophobia, racism and intolerance, to use the voice of the oppressed to champion the oppressor?

That degree of callous evil is actually impressive. Slow clap for you.

Also I just want to point out that you've implicitly undermined your entire comment prior by essentially admitting here that what happened yesterday was a violent rebellion after all.

I'm so done here.

[0]https://twitter.com/keith_rosson/status/1346993989057093634

[1]https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1347092214753726465

[2]https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1347136597934944257/ph...

[3]https://twitter.com/Jfh33/status/1347214428043935745/photo/1

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