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Hamas May Be Threat to 8chan, QAnon Online

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This headline sounds like something from Steve Jackson's "Illuminati!" game.

What kind of garbage argument is that?

Hamas and 8chan are using the same DDOS protection service. That's all. So all cloudflare sites are by that logic responsible for the content of other sites using cloudflare? Especially considering the problematic dominance of cloudflare, I expected a higher troll logic level of Krebs.

The argument, as I understand it, is as follows:

First, how QAnon and 8chan are made available:

1. QAnon and 8chan are connected to the internet through VanwaTech in Washington state.

2. VanwaTech's sole connection to the internet is DDoS-Guard in Russia.

4. DDoS-Guard relies on CoreSite in Los Angeles to provide "more reliable" US access to its sites.

Second, how that availability is at risk:

1. DDoS-Guard is home to a large number of cybercrime-related sites, and also to Hamas' online presence.

2. Hamas is a Specially Designated Global Terrorist organization (SDGT).

3. In the US, it's illegal to provide "money, goods or services" to SDGTs, even unknowingly. Penalties are severe.

4. Given the risks of being even peripherally involved with SGDTs, CoreSite may choose to stop providing services to DDoS-Guard.

5. If CoreSite stops providing services to DDoS-Guard, QAnon and 8chan "may become more difficult to reach."

In other words, DDoS-Guard's association with Hamas may cause DDoS-Guard's US partner to stop doing business with them, which would make it difficult to access QAnon and 8chan websites.

I do hate that sites like 8kun are always casted as "8chan, which has rebranded as 8kun, has been linked to white supremacism, neo-Nazism, antisemitism, multiple mass shootings, and child pornography."

No one counts the number of human rights violations on facebook because there are too many to count. I distinctly remember a shooting that was livestreamed on facebook after which law enforcement took action and seized 8chan (The site that DID ban the exact same violent clips) just do a search of facebook shooting and you'll find that facebook is no different.

Another reminder is that 8chan is the same site that used cloudfare but was kicked off because cloudfare decided to take a (political?) stance against 8chan. ironically forcing them to use fringe out of country protection services to keep their site online.

Cloudflare didn’t take any position. Cloudflare lost customers because 8chan became a forum to recruit and radicalize domestic terrorists, and they couldn’t convince their other customers that was ok. I’m not aware of anyone who has shown that Facebook protects a domestic terrorist recruitment community and protects it against the wishes of their customers.

So cloudflare pulled its support of 8chan because they lost money, not because of any moral qualms.

Cloudfare did not kick 8chan off because they were losing customers or because anyone in particular complained. Cloudfare themselves decided to 'terminate their service to 8chan' because they believed '8chan has repeatedly proven itself to be a cesspool of hate.'

Another exerp that I find disturbing

"They [8chan and dailystormer] are lawless platforms. In cases like these, where platforms have been designed to be lawless and unmoderated, and where the platforms have demonstrated their ability to cause real harm, the law may need additional remedies."

Cloudfare absolutely pulled its support because of moral qualms not because they lost money. Look at the loaded text troughout the entire article. https://blog.cloudflare.com/terminating-service-for-8chan/

It seems that according to some, 8chan doesn't have a right to exist despite having done nothing illegal. I suppose this issue belongs to the same group as people being put on a no-fly list without knowing why.

It’s a recruitment center for terrorists, like the terrorist attacks we saw in the American capital yesterday. It’s no different than ISIS recruitment websites.

As someone who hates to be associated with 8ch due to a variety of reasons, the one thing I can tell you is that it is nowhere near an ISIS recruitment center. And to make that comparison is absolutely ridiculous. Read up how ISIS recruits members, trains them and then tell me it is the same thing as an image board.

Was hoping this would be a story about Hamas trying to take 8chan down themselves :)

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