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The high protein vegetable meal has 4 times the fibre as the high protein meat meal.

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This matches my own observations where swapping a pure 'bran' cereal for any other breakfast meal allows me to feel fuller while eating less.

Also, subbing TVP for mince is also a way of increasing fibre and protein at the same time. After hydration TVP is almost double protein by weight compared to store-bought mince (at least where I shop), and it also has a good dose of fibre content, and no fat. Once again, I went 50/50 on this and I could eat less and feel fuller, and I argue it tasted better because the dish wasn't as oily.

If only TVP were easy to buy worldwide. I suspect you're in the US where I've seen it offered cheaply in bulk. Elsewhere it seems unobtanium.

Try a grocery that carries Taiwanese (most asian grocers) or Mexican food. These places usually have it for sale cheap.

You can find it in health food shops or buy in bulk online. It keeps for ages, so it doesn't hurt to have extra. I'm currently in Australia. My local grocer has started selling it, though it's pricier than from other sources.

What is TVP?

Textured Vegetable Protein, a soy-based product.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Textured_vegetable_protein

For anyone else wondering what TVP is, it's textured vegetable protein (soy). It turns out I eat it all the time in microwave burritos, because it saves the manufacturer money to mix it with the ground beef.

Works well for tacos too. I shy away from TVP since it’s relatively highly processed. Beans work, especially lentils for a ground beef replacement - beluga, sprouted green, or any of the varieties which don’t quickly loosen up like red.

what is funny is that there is no cheap TVP for sale in the stores...you can get the substitute meat patties (mostly soy) etc for sale in many grocery stores, but it is not cheap at all...costs considerably more than the cheapest hamburger, pork or chicken...if the food manufacturers can save money by using TVP mixed in with meat, then why is there no cheap TVP for sale in the stores ?

There's is actually relatively inexpensive flavored textured vegetable protein available in the stores though; soy chorizo (or soyrizo) is about the same price as meat, even though it probably has much lower sales.

It's all about volume. I've noticed the beyond and impossible burgers are substantially more expensive than meat despite supposedly requiring much less resources to produce. Not enough competition or volume.

My local grocer has started selling packets for 15 AUD per kg. Cursory google shows I can have 5kg delivered for 30 AUD, about a third of the price.

You can get it from ethnic east Indian stores for cheap.

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And they can be pretty good if you make them right!

I always feel like we’re a vampire society that figures out how to make human-like blood without having to take it from humans.

Will need to look into these textured vegetable protein for the sake of the animals.

You don't generally get TVP by itself. It's very bland and has almost no fat, so it doesn't taste like much.

You generally buy it as one ingredient in a fake-meat product. You can find it at some "natural foods" stores and online, but it's much cheaper to manufacturers as a bulk product than at a consumer level. They use it to make some pretty effective fake meats, though the high-profile ones (like Impossible and Beyond) use related-but-different products.

I combine cereals..Fiber One with something else. It’s a good way to get the benefit and still enjoy other cereals (still mostly healthy).

Comments like this is why I visit HN in the first place. Thanks!

Too much fibre isn't healthy.

I don’t get the obsession with fiber. Cramming as much fiber as you can into every meal makes eating a slog and makes it less likely you’ll be able to pack in all your daily macronutrients, because you’ll feel too full to eat.

Feeling too full to eat while not maxing out on your calories is a desirable goal for many people.

I think you may be missing a few things. Fiber is important to avoid painful stool compaction. Soluble fiber also slows carb absorbtion and lowers the glycemic index of a meal which is generally a good thing.

As to your macronutrient concern, unless you are trying to eat 4000+ calories which is about when it becomes a chore to eat (I once had a job where I lost weight eating less than that), high fiber food isn’t going to make it hard to get your macro nutrients with most modern diets. And foods high in fiber tend to have more micronutrients. For instance the germ in whole grain is literally the nutrients needed to kickstart a seed into a plant.

Thank you for the explanation. Don’t know why my original posted warranted such vicious downvoting for what seemed like a legitimate observation.

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