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They are kept in camps, monitored constantly, have no privacy, are searched constantly and on top of that, they are forced to work or go to detention. That is slavery. There's also the problem with them getting gutted for the organ transplants that China's own doctors have reported to be 4 times higher than they should be for the population size. So it is work, or go to detention and possibly get gutted.

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What sources are you getting the organ transplants information from?

Odd to me that your question -- a genuine question -- would be downvoted.

Probably because it’s received quite a bit of attention. If you’ve been reading HN for a while, particularly articles about the recent injustices in China, you’ve likely already encountered such claims.

Here's one: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/china-forcefully-harvests...

Speculation from multiple sources: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyZschwFN-c&ab_channel=SkyNe...

Extrapolation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Go...

I often hear that uyghurs organs are sold as pure/halal organs to muslims from Saudi Arabia (and other rich muslims countries). If it is true -- and I think it is -- that is indeed absolutly abominable.

https://www.saveuighur.org/the-economics-of-chinas-organ-har...

https://theircc.org/organharvesting/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Go...

https://bmcmedethics.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s129...

Directly from Enver Tohti, a Chinese doctor who was involved in organ harvesting:

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/surgeon-cla...

> But when Tohti arrived at the destination, he was shocked to find at least 10 prisoners had been shot in a field by a firing squad.

> Armed police waved the surgeon and his medical team over and directed them to a man lying unconscious on blood-soaked ground.

> Tohti said: “He’d been shot in the right-hand side of the chest but was still alive.

> “I told my chief surgeon he wasn’t dead but he ordered me to remove the man’s liver and kidneys there and then – and to be quick about it. I was ordered not to give the man any anaesthetic.”

Fuck, that is way worse that I had heard. JFC

Direct testimony from a doctor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZXRobpNsHA&ab_channel=NTD

"They are kept in camps, monitored constantly, have no privacy, are searched constantly and on top of that, they are forced to work or go to detention..." An Amazon warehouse is already 90% there then.

Don't forget tortured, gang raped and sterilized.

> They are kept in camps, monitored constantly, have no privacy, are searched constantly and on top of that, they are forced to work or go to detention

This also seems to describe prison labor that occurs in the US, which, putting problems and criticisms aside, is definitely different from slavery. I don't think the imprecision in language is helpful, it hurts the cause in the same way people constantly referring to modern political leaders as literal Nazis hurts their credibility.

It isn't clear to me that prison labour in the US is meaningfully distinct from slavery

Because it isn't. It's distinct from chattel slavery, which is not the only form of slavery. Bonded labor is the most common form of slavery today, and is also not chattel slavery.

It isn't, which is why the 13th amendment (which bans other forms of slavery) explicitly permits it.

Some members from both houses of Congress have recently proposed a constitutional amendment to change this:

https://www.merkley.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/The%20Abolition...

Except for the due process trial, conviction, and sentencing.

yeah, that's the way it is justified, repaying debts to society.

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