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Tiananmen Square images that China does not want you to see

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> "That China does want you to see"

Surely that should be "does NOT want you to see"?

...or has the PRC suddenly been overcome with Glasnost and Perestroika and my phone didn't get the newsflash from Reuters?

Just saved me big time! Just changed it to be correct... I often drop the negative when typing / writing. Makes no sense to me... I think the negative but just don't write or type it. Have thought about asking a smart psychologist or neurologist about that... I'm afraid they will just say that it is my own incompetence and nothing else :/

> Surely that should be "does NOT want you to see"?

Nope, it is "does". But I actually see both "desirable" and "undesirable" images, side-by-side in my results. Pretty funny.

Good thing Censorship will never be a thing in the USA, ah crap...

I don't think anyone is under the spell of freedom and the American way anymore. The US being shitty does not mean that other countries can't be criticized.

Don’t worry, our censorship will be of a good kind. It will censor only liars and bad people.

As decided by a very small, but vocal minority that obviously represents the way it should be.

Ahhh but hate speech and nazis something something

Yes. Good thing we have big tech and a whole party to keep us safe from other viewpoints.

Why I bet soon we can even have free Red-education for misguided souls.

The tank image has been debunked. The tanks stopped for the man, and didn't kill him.

Debunked? I’d always been told that this one man had stopped the column of tanks. Where had you heard that he had been run over?

There's actually video of it.

When I first saw the images I thought the tanks killed him/ran over him. That's what the first impression was.

Then saw the video.

Anyways, HN is not the place for geopolitical talk like this. And I dislike the trend of polluting the place with geopolitical rivalries.

So by ‘debunked’ you mean to say that your impression was wrong and you’ve learned the correct information that most others already knew?

Could you please stop creating accounts like this? We ban accounts that do that. It's in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

For HN to be a community, users need some identity for other users to relate to. Otherwise we may as well have no usernames and no community, and that would be a different kind of forum. https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...

You needn't use your real name, of course.

Indeed. If most others know, good for them I guess. I didn't know, so I mentioned for others. I'm not well versed in Chinese history.

And my impression wasn't wrong, most people would've thought that way too given the picture. Stop gaslighting.

So human rights are just a geopolitical issue?

Human rights is a form of secular religion. They do not exist in the real world, enforcement of those rights depend on a shared value system, and they often have a corresponding religious alternative, like "human life is sacred".

Since human rights can vary between geopolitical regions they can absolutely be looked at as a geopolitical issue, in the same way religious wars are geopolitical.

I didn't realize something like "human life is sacred" was up for debate.

That is not what the OP said. He said it is a religious idea. And it is. Look, you are even using the word "sacred".

For some reason the word "religion" means something bad to you and so you are attacking the idea of something good ("human rights") being in the same sentence as "religion".

The actual definition of religion is broader and can mean simply a set of shared ethics, which human rights clearly are.

Perhaps I misunderstood OP's tone.

Imagine the mental gymnastics you have to go through to defend China's clear disregard for human rights and human life.

When an image gives the wrong first impression/is misleading, indeed they are.

When doing with good intent, they're not. Since the US and China are rivals at this point and neither side wants to chill, and given the history of troll farms by many countries to manipulate discourse, I'd be wary of discussion that contributes to a solution.

Speaking of Chinese propaganda... The Tanks stopped, but the man was dissappeared.

Maybe. But boy did they kill quite a few others. Not that we know for sure where he is.

I'd like to see a source for that.

I believe there's a video of the "tank man" part of the protest. If I recall correctly, he stands in front of the tank, and then tank tries to shuffle around him unsuccessfully several times, after a while several other people approach and pull him out of the tanks way.

I don't really think it's debunking anything, but that person wasn't run over by the tank he stood in front of.

Edit: found it - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qq8zFLIftGk

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