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This means lots of casual exhibitionists will be reluctant to upload. It will probably cut uploads to a tiny fraction of what they were.

Which could well be a net negative (I'm assuming both the viewers and exhibitionists get something out of it) given how small the positives are.

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There are other venues for this: cam sites, onlyfans, deviantart, fetlife, etc... which by and large put the subjects in the driver's seat.

But a lot of those "casual exhibitionists" are unverified. Many of the photos may have been taken with consent, but are distributed without. Sometimes that's revenge porn, sometimes it's hacked/jacked content, etc. Distribution of questionably sourced content can be quite damaging to the subjects.

If the "casual exhibitionist" is harmed here, it's dwarfed by the harm already being done to subjects without consent. And there are still plenty of suitable venues out there. Including verification with pornhub.

> If the "casual exhibitionist" is harmed here, it's dwarfed by the harm already being done to subjects without consent.

If you look at the actual mechanisms by which harm happens in a revenge porn case, I think you'll find it isn't dependant on pornhub at all.

What do you think are the mechanisms by which revenge porn harms?

Pornhub actively, and knowingly or negligently, facilitates it. They're accessories to the act. It doesn't matter that it could happen anywhere. It's been happening on pornhub and until now they've been reactive (responding to takedown requests) instead of proactive (requiring verification of all content).

Newspapers, magazines and broadcast news have been actively, negligently and often knowingly defaming people and organizations for decades (centuries?), sometimes with very serious consequences for the offended parties. I've not heard anyone calling for Visa/MC to cut them off.

If there is a legal case to be made against Pornhub, then the authorities should make it. Otherwise they would do better to go after those who made (or uploaded) the offending material in the first place.

And that usually creates a vacuum for smaller niche sites to pop up and fill the gap.

"Fill the gap"

Smaller niche sites are exactly the type of pornographic sites I try to avoid (malware, etc.)

And spinning up a new video host (that you intend to make money somehow) isn't cheap or easy.

And spinning up a new video host (that you intend to make money somehow) isn't cheap or easy.

Nor is it terribly safe right now legally speaking. Considering the child porn castoffs from pornhub will be out looking for a new place to upload their trash. Eventually, not only child pornographers, but so many other undesirables are on your site, that it's just dangerous to continue running it from a liability perspective.

Agreed. I can imagine the look on a lawyers face if I said I wanted to make such a site.

>sites I try to avoid (malware, etc.)

Is it still a thing? What malware can a pornsite contain that cannot be uploaded to or linked to from a regular smaller niche or bigger broader site? Do you download and run hotgirls.exe dialers or what?

Things may have 100% changed and all porn sites are now completely safe, but I am not adventurous enough to find out.

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