A leak containing a register with the details of nearly two million CCP members
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If it is indeed 4 years old, then it may well be just a plain leak.
If not, then it may well be an innuendo.
Zeng Qinghong, and his motherlode of scoop on every major player in the party is said to be the only reason Xi can't touch Jiang Zemin, and his first circle personally.
If new explosive leaks will emerge on current establishment in coming months, especially if they cover time in nineties-noughties, then if will be a red flag, pun intended.
I wouldn't take anything said on there as accurate or fact-checked.
By the way, it is disheartening to see the growth in the number of throw-away accounts used in discussions like these. Stand up for your opinions, dare to voice them, don't hide for the cancel mob. Use your real account even if - or maybe especially if - you expect the mob to pounce. It is only when "established" users show they are not afraid to speak up that the mob can be beaten.
I don't know anything about that data, sorry. Just the janitor.
According to Wikipedia, there are 91 million members, so this isn't a complete list. I wonder what the source database was for.
You're correct that most party members have "have [no] specific role in a hierarchy," but "group identification and virtue signalling," seriously? That feels like an inappropriate transfer of some stereotypes of the English-speaking left to the CCP.
My understanding is that most people who join do so because being a member offers small privileges, like preferences in hiring.
Why do you feel it is inappropriate? Human nature is human nature, its not as though Chinese are a sub-species of humans that has different psychology than American sub-species. People signaling values and identifying with groups is human nature.
> My understanding is that most people who join do so because being a member offers small privileges, like preferences in hiring.
Yes there are benefits to being in a group and sharing values with those in power.
Because my understanding is that most Chinese people do not consider the CCP to be virtuous nor do they "identify" with it. That's not to say they're dissidents, but more semi-deliberately indifferent and have knowledge of and experience with government corruption. Even people who work for the party are often just going through the motions.
> Because my understanding is that most Chinese people do not consider the CCP to be virtuous nor do they "identify" with it.
Perhaps its not meant to signal virtue to the majority but instead to the decision makers. Perhaps the majority do not identify as a member but the members do.
> Even people who work for the party are often just going through the motions.
That would be covered by signaling virtue.
That's not "virtue signalling." If everyone involved in the interaction is cynical about the organization, no virtue is being signaled. The "decision makers" most of all know the true nature of the party.
I think the word you're really looking for is just "signalling" or at least a different kind of signaling than "virtue signalling." You're really torturing that term into meaninglessness here.
"Virtue signalling" really only applies to situations where at least some people genuinely think they're signalling virtue or that others would actually perceive it that way. One end or the other can be cynical, but not both.
Its naive to assume that none of them consider the true nature of the party to be what constitutes "virtuous."
> I think the word you're really looking for is just "signalling" or at least a different kind of signaling than "virtue signalling." You're really torturing that term into meaninglessness here.
Sure.
> "Virtue signalling" really only applies to situations where at least some people genuinely think they're signalling virtue or that others would actually perceive it that way. One end or the other can be cynical, but not both.
Value signaling is perhaps a more value-neutral way of expressing the same sentiment.
Virtue is relative, not objective.
brew install datasette # if you don't have it already
wget https://gitlab.com/shanghai-ccp-member-db/shanghai-ccp-member-db/-/raw/master/shanghai-ccp-member.db
datasette shanghai-ccp-member.db --setting sql_time_limit_ms 10000 --setting facet_time_limit_ms 10000
You can easily facet by sex, ethnicity, hometown and organization using the cog icon on each column. The data is all in Chinese so you'll need to run it through a translator to see what it means.
Here's a partial output from running it against that database file:
member.name: (2/11)
Total rows: 1956731
Null rows: 0
Blank rows: 0
Distinct values: 1072319
Most common:
650: 张伟
621: 张敏
620: 王伟
579: 张磊
507: 王磊
488: 陈洁
479: 张杰
448: 王勇
442: 李伟
434: 张静
member.sex: (3/11)
Total rows: 1956731
Null rows: 0
Blank rows: 0
Distinct values: 2
Most common:
1229406: 男
727325: 女
member.ethnicity: (4/11)
Total rows: 1956731
Null rows: 0
Blank rows: 0
Distinct values: 51
Most common:
1935764: 汉族
7636: 回族
4588: 满族
2282: 蒙古族
1468: 土家族
954: 壮族
741: 朝鲜族
638: 苗族
351: 白族
319: 侗族
member.hometown: (5/11)
Total rows: 1956731
Null rows: 0
Blank rows: 0
Distinct values: 2875
Most common:
846850: 上海
350361: null
139903: 江苏
80958: 浙江
29935: 上海宝山
29705: 山东
26366: 上海崇明
26120: 安徽
17697: 上海嘉定
14745: 上海南汇
member.organization: (6/11)
Total rows: 1956731
Null rows: 0
Blank rows: 0
Distinct values: 77453
Most common:
3533: 退休支部
1925: 第一党支部
1796: 机关党支部
1759: 校逾期未归
1552: 退休一支部
1528: 第二党支部
1508: 退休二支部
1443: 退休党支部
1243: 第三党支部
955: 离退休党支部
member.education: (11/11)
Total rows: 1956731
Null rows: 0
Blank rows: 0
Distinct values: 22
Most common:
589531: 大学
360788: 大专
300370: 初中
230117: 普通高中
161803: 硕士研究生
158041: 中等专科
93859: 小学
25460: 博士研究生
14729: 技工学校
8894: 其他About 99% are Han people (which is not surprising considering it is Shanghai);
Most common org: retirement branch. Actually, so many of them has "退休" in it which means "retirement". Can it tell us something about the "age" distribution as well?
Education: most common - Bachelor's degree. Secondly common is a professional university degree, which is considered a second-class compared to the Bachelor's degree. "93859" of them only graduates from primary school, which should overlap highly with older people.
Actually, there are 77453 distinct values for the "organization" field, so retired people are only the biggest group because employed people are divided according to where they are employed.
As for the age distribution, the OP on LIHKG posted it in a reply: https://lih.kg/qwNiyuX
member.name: (2/11)
Total rows: 1956731
Null rows: 0
Blank rows: 0
Distinct values: 1072319
Most common:
650: 张伟 - Zhang Wei (Grand)
621: 张敏 - Zhang Ming (Agile)
620: 王伟 - Wang Wei (Grand)
579: 张磊 - Zhang Lei (Open)
507: 王磊 - Wang Lei (Open)
488: 陈洁 - Chen Jie (Clean)
479: 张杰 - Zhang Jie (Outstanding)
448: 王勇 - Wang Yong (Brave)
442: 李伟 - Li Wei (Grand)
434: 张静 - Zhang Jing (Calm)
These names are all one-character long, rather than the standard two characters, and the surnames are some of the most common in China, so they end up having nonzero overlap.
member.sex: (3/11)
Total rows: 1956731
Null rows: 0
Blank rows: 0
Distinct values: 2
Most common:
1229406: 男 - male
727325: 女 - female
member.ethnicity: (4/11)
Total rows: 1956731
Null rows: 0
Blank rows: 0
Distinct values: 51
Most common:
1935764: 汉族 - Han
7636: 回族 - Hui
4588: 满族 - Manchu
2282: 蒙古族 - Mongol
1468: 土家族 - Tujia
954: 壮族 - Zhuang
741: 朝鲜族 - Korean
638: 苗族 - Miao
351: 白族 - Bai
319: 侗族 - Dong
member.hometown: (5/11)
Total rows: 1956731
Null rows: 0
Blank rows: 0
Distinct values: 2875
Most common:
846850: 上海 - Shanghai
350361: null
139903: 江苏 - Jiangsu
80958: 浙江 - Zhejiang
29935: 上海宝山 - Shanghai Baoshan district
29705: 山东 - Shandong
26366: 上海崇明 - Shanghai Chongming county
26120: 安徽 - Anhui
17697: 上海嘉定 - Shanghai Jiading district
14745: 上海南汇 - Shanghai Nanhui district
member.organization: (6/11)
Total rows: 1956731
Null rows: 0
Blank rows: 0
Distinct values: 77453
Most common:
3533: 退休支部 - retirement branch
1925: 第一党支部 - first party branch
1796: 机关党支部 - party branch
1759: 校逾期未归 - [not completed]
1552: 退休一支部 - retirement 1 branch
1528: 第二党支部 - second party branch
1508: 退休二支部 - retirement 2 branch
1443: 退休党支部 - retirement party branch
1243: 第三党支部 - third party branch
955: 离退休党支部 - ending retirement party branch
member.education: (11/11)
Total rows: 1956731
Null rows: 0
Blank rows: 0
Distinct values: 22
Most common:
589531: 大学 - university
360788: 大专 - junior college
300370: 初中 - in progress
230117: 普通高中 - regular high school
161803: 硕士研究生 - master's student
158041: 中等专科 - specialized secondary school
93859: 小学 - elementary
25460: 博士研究生 - doctoral student
14729: 技工学校 - vocational high school
8894: 其他 - otherTwo character given names aren't standard. At least in some places, in some families, they alternate between one and two characters from generation to generation.
Actually "middle school" (as opposed to 高中 "high school").
Source on Communist Party entrance process: https://daily.jstor.org/communist-party-of-china/
Just because a single or few instances of a particular information attribute is public, it's quite different compared to majority of instances being available at the same time - that this made it to front page of HN shows it's at least interesting news to many.
I have never received a mainland Chinese resume overseas, so would not know about the overseas question.
Edit: The parent originally asked "even when working in foreign companies? even when working in foreign countries?"
Not really. I have a friend who nearly joined in college. They had several rounds of applications: the first few went to kids with connections (or whose connections put them in a good position, e.g. appointed to be some kind of student government thing). Once those groups were exhausted, other kids got a chance. My friend was a very good student, but got a no-so-subtle message from the school official running the process that they wouldn't be considered without a bribe.
Based on my experience in China, this sounds 100% correct.
Coming up shortly at a Chinese github like thing near you... Republican Party membership list.
Think of it this way, Americans don’t like their names to show up on a list, and to have their privacy violated.
But why is it ok to do this to normal people of a foreign country?
What if the China government authorized a retaliation to this, and instructed their hackers to infiltrate the American voting databases.
They would post who is a registered Republican.
Who voted for what measures and which candidates.
And who donated to whatever causes. Whether it was gay rights or pro-racist laws.
As Americans, the confidentiality of your vote is considered sacred. But, it’s not really a complete secret. Since your ballot has a serial number, to ensure authenticity, and that serial number can be tied to you.
And given all the new electronic voting devices being used, I’m certain it’s now easier to make this correlation.
Anyways, certain civil behaviors still apply here. Do unto others, as you’d like it done to you.
You don't need any special invitation or application to join the party. In fact, NOT joining the party can be a signal and a problem, which might complicate business setup, banking applications, things like applying for a car plate, etc.
My Chinese wife's data and my address is in the DB, but I'm not sure if it does anybody any good. So? Am I the enemy of the Free World now? Will I get hate letters? Death threats? She despises CCP and Xi as much as I do, but this is also very stupid and irresponsible to put this kind of information up for everybody's access.
It used to be that you need a firm endorsement of someone that has been a member for a few years, and it's still more or less the case a lot of times. You generally need to file an application to join, and you're expected to pay membership fee on a regular basis.
CCP membership is by and large a YMMV scenario given how large the country is and how deep the organization runs. While I believe your wife might be in the situation where she felt she had to join (due to her social class, affiliation or being in a certain region), it's not common for someone to be seen as a problem if they decide not to join.
From all the years of observation and all the people that I know day to day, most of people join for certain prospect of future benefits, career or social status wise. They know very well it opens the door to another class.
This is false information, I'd say the b word actually if you are really Chinese (you need to be a Party member to apply for car plate? WTF...)...You do need application to join the Party, and not joining the party is perfectly OK (China only has 100M Party member). It was only in decades ago that joining the Party was kind of automatic because there was not much private economy, definitely not the case for today. A lot of people still apply and join, for their own benefit, but it's a choice, not a mandatory (Neither me and my wife joined and our careers were pretty good).
*typo
You mean the plate lottery in Beijing is REALLY a lottery?..
Given a population of 1.4 billion people, then this membership list is something like 7% of the population.
Some countries don’t even have 100 million people.
And it doesn’t even seem like you need to be anybody special to even join. Although I’m sure that the elite at the top, socializes often with CCP members for societal and business needs.
I’m certain that people in the west are making this out to be more of a bigger issue than it really is.
You’ve gotta fly in First Class.
They say the air in the First Class cabin is different. It must be loaded with Perri-air [1] or something.
I’m sure the CCP members take an oath of allegiance to either China or CCP or both.
1) Foreign countries should never hire Americans that have either voted for Republicans or Democrats?
2) Or to hire Americans that registered as either a Democrat or Republican?
So, by this logic, if China took a countermeasure against this, then it would be illegal for the CEOs and corporate executives of American companies, to legally do business or transact in commerce in China.
Because they would have likely voted for a political party, or have registered to be affiliated with a political party.
This is a very slippery slope here.
EDIT: I take that back, seems like "unit" is organization.
Inter-Parliamentary Alliance on China https://ipac.global/#team
Oh wait, we can't talk about that.
It'll be interesting to see which politicians & tech co's continue to bend the knee to china.
Zoom's censorship has been called out many times.
https://www.npr.org/2020/11/23/937336309/welcome-to-the-part...