Oops: Facebook caught planting anti-Google stories to press
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Unless they got caught, of course.
The point is, Facebook should complain about privacy in PR, because it implies that they care about it (whether or not they actually do care). Anyway, I think your points are pretty solid otherwise.
Whatever negative PR they cold pull for Google, it's much less than the heat they'll be getting for this ... and when you're taking risks, IMHO, you need to make damn sure those risks are worth it.
1. "Attacking the overlord" - People bash Google all day, every day; for privacy reasons and what have you. Seeing as Facebook is Google's biggest competitor and vice-versa, attacking Google doesn't seem to be a mistake. 2. "Bringing attention to Circles" - It's the "but THEY're doing it too!"-method fb is using when it comes to privacy and Google, plus, "we care about privacy". However, you forgot the main point: Nobody was supposed to know Facebook was the one behind the reports.
May be someone from the PR world can tell us how common/uncommon this type of "operation" is.
While it's behind the scenes it's hard to say how much it happens, but it doesn't really matter. I mean, the PR firm were trying to spoon feed a writer with information he could use to write a story, if he decides that information is worth writing, and readers decide it's worth reading, then fair enough.
But it's an important story because Facebook have failed to keep secret the fact that they are trying to attack Google, and that will have implications on politics between those two companies. Even if Google already knew that Facebook were doing this kind of stuff (more than likely), Facebook being outed changes how Google can act towards them with a different public reaction.
the big deal isn't that it happens,
it's that they got caught
Big words, no references ... not wanting to do an ad-hominem here, although I could ;) ... at least provide some anecdotal evidence that software companies, in Silicon Valley, as public and as visible as Google are doing it.Thanks,
BM offered a mea culpa today that notes as much:
Now that Facebook has come forward, we can confirm that we undertook an assignment for that client.
The client requested that its name be withheld on the grounds that it was merely asking to bring publicly available information to light and such information could then be independently and easily replicated by any media. Any information brought to media attention raised fair questions, was in the public domain, and was in any event for the media to verify through independent sources.
Whatever the rationale, this was not at all standard operating procedure and is against our policies, and the assignment on those terms should have been declined. When talking to the media, we need to adhere to strict standards of transparency about clients, and this incident underscores the absolute importance of that principle.
Source: http://www.mediabistro.com/prnewser/b-m-says-facebook-assign...
Why would anyone want to do this?
We need to get over this ideal that just because a company is in tech it's somehow "above" the business as usual tactics that have worked for generations.
2. How is a smear campaign "business as usual"? Just because Zuckerberg has low ethical standards doesn't mean that you or I have to. As strange as it may seem, it's quite possible to run a successful business without psyops and Zero-sum mentality.
I think your classification of Zuckerberg as having low ethical standards is quite a laughable assumption. Do you know him personally or did you just watch the movie?
(Incidentally, I have no great love for Facebook and find them vaguely creepy, but Google also does a lot of creepy things privacy-wise, and that shouldn't be dismissed just because of the manner in which the charges were publicized.)
Inside facebook says it's an industry practice, but i dont trust insidefacebook, they always tend to kiss facebook's ass too hard: http://www.insidefacebook.com/2011/05/12/facebooks-failed-pr...
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2539824
In my reply I explained why he was wrong about that submission. And now, coincidentally, this is the first time I've seen an ingur link on HN. If only he hadn't deleted his comments, I'd know who he was and go apologise to him for downplaying his prediction.
Yours is the first meme image I've seen on HN.
Having said that, I do agree with you. imgur memes appearing on HN are worrisome.
I was merely expressing that this one single comment which links to a terrible image doesn't belong on HN.
(And not that it matters but I've been on HN longer than my account has.)
(The image is a screengrab of the comments. Apologies if my use of Imgur offends you.)