Anticipating vaccine, forecast expects recovery to begin in spring 2021
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Plus if say you're a chain restaurant right now, the future probably looks bright. You had the credit to weather a year of takeout only. Meanwhile three of the four family restaurants nearby that you competed with are dead and gone.
Basically very few folks who trade on the S&P went out of business, but a lot of their competitors did. Sure you'll have an entire cohort of newly impoverished that can't spend, but a bunch of your competitors went away. Going to be one of those summers where my ETFs are going up at the same time the food pantry is seeing record usage.
More like the USD is at an all time low
Much of the country is, economically, doing great: they're still employed, they've been saving a ton of money because they're working from home, not traveling and not going out as much, and their home equity and stocks are doing great.
Much of the country is doing horribly: their industries have been decimated, they're unemployed and way behind on rent.
However, when a vaccine comes out, there will be huge pent up demand from the first group to go out and spend money, which will largely end up going to people in the second group. Small businesses have been killed but I think new businesses will open very quickly once the pandemic is over.
1) A decline in consumption across the board due to loss of income and certainty for future;
2) A shift of consumption from the "traditional physical" businesses to virtual or remote or delivery businesses.
So the end result is that some niches of economy are harmed very much and some niches of economy are not suffering at all or even having a boom, as the change in habits is a very large impact.
And the key aspect that explains this apparent disconnect is that most of the "losers" of economy are not traded in the stock market and most of the "winners" are.
If your local cinema goes bankrupt and people switch to Netflix instead, the stock market cares only about the latter. If you buy less stuff in your local corner store and have Amazon deliveries instead, the stock market sees only the Amazon's growth in revenue and ignores the loss of revenue of the non-publicly-traded store. If a company rents less office space and instead invests in various services and software for remote work, the owner of that now-empty commercial space isn't publicly traded but the service/software providers are. Etc.
So stocks go up, not because a company is making more money today, but because people think it will make even more money in the future (than is already accounted for in today’s price).
B) Stock prices reflected the future earnings before anyone knew there was going to be a pandemic this year. Even if long term revenue is not effected, stock prices should drop to compensate for the loss in short term revenue
B) Yes, but future earnings per-pandemic may not match estimated future earnings now. Again, much of the DJIA growth has been driven by tech stocks and their future earning could certainly be better now, with the shift to technology to support WFH.
Seeking alpha disagrees: https://seekingalpha.com/article/4393503-roaring-20s-fundame...
- “over the last decade, as the Federal Reserve and government have pumped more than $36 trillion into the economy”
- “for each dollar of economic growth since 2008, it required $12.67 of monetary stimulus”
- “during the last decade, economic ‘growth’ was a function of population growth“
The bailouts seem to be removing some features, some better and some worse, of capitalism without giving any of the benefits of central planning. It will take decades to fully appreciate the effects I think.
As much as I really want to be a pessimist, I've been starting to wonder if a better outcome is possible. I think it was an article in the recent issue of the Economist which suggested that the disruption due to COVID-19 may actually cause long-term productivity gains by forcing inefficient processes to die. I am cautiously optimistic that this may be the case.
I'm not quite ready to enter the market yet. It is far too volatile and may see an overdue correction before or around the new year. I will probably get back in, albeit in a balanced fashion due to being 45, early next year. Yes, timing the market vs time in the market. I'm willing to take that chance.
As someone from a country/region where we basically have one long summer every day, it's a little bit confusing when articles like this mention seasons instead of months.
”It is hard for us, without being flippant, to even see a scenario within any kind of realm of reason that would see us losing one dollar in any of these Credit Default Swap transactions.” - AIG (2007)
I am skeptical of this. A lot of housing demand was pushed back during the first half of 2020. I don't think the pushed back demand was enough to last three years. Also there are many homeowners who are unable to service their mortgages now. Once assistance for these people expires, there will be a wave of foreclosures.
I think the latter half housing demand in 2020 was due to pent-up demand as well as extraordinary measures shoring up mortgage holders, thus preventing more supply coming onto the market. I don't see either trend continuing into 2023.
Many if not most jobs people are doing today are bs jobs which society doesn't need at all. We have to find ways to end it, to find these people some useful application rather than making them do what they know makes no sense and only exists to keep money moving.
All the paper pushers, software engineers (after years in the industry I can confidently say that many SE jobs are BS jobs - you may do something but that something is still BS) and useless managers just switched to WFH and tried to maintain a veneer of activity with BS Zoom meetings.
On the other hand plenty of cashiers, waiters, janitors... all lost their jobs.
I think a better sign that many jobs are BS jobs is that it seems many companies did not register a drop in productivity as a result of people working from home. Likely that these people weren't producing much value before.
On the contrary, I'm still employed, and it's much easier to argue I have a bullshit job. I don't want to go into too much detail but will just say my job only exists due to the absurd complexity of the US healthcare system.
We haven't noticed the loss of capacity to provide these services because there is a corresponding drop in demand. However, the drop in demand is due entirely to a temporary public health crisis. All else being equal, people much prefer to be able to take advantage of these services, and we are poorer as a society if they are not available.
[0] Although, in many cases, the decline could be seen before an official policy was implemented due to individual consumer concerns.
And a lot of necessary things are being skipped for a limited time--like schooling--that are unsustainable in the long term. You can skip an oil change, but that doesn't mean your ICE car doesn't need one.
All I can think of are retail and hospitality employees whose jobs are normally very much useful. Cooks. Waitresses. Sales assistants. Tour guides. Bus drivers. To name a few.
It is never going to stop if people not doing bullshit jobs means they do not get money. We need a system for this. People should chill, lay back, let the automation tool do its job. People should not worry about not being able to do bullshit jobs for money. :/
Yes, the system didn’t “break”, but that’s because most gov’t used debt to backstop the pain and in the case of the US, printed more currency.
Both of those measures come with a price and you can’t keep it up for long.
Maybe instead of telling people what jobs are needed you'll let them to decide?
This article is wildly optimistic.
Apparently politicians in many EU countries have decided that they are politically vulnerable if they open up, not if they simply keep the status quo of restrictions going.
As for "struggling to get people to comply", actually EU countries have been quite effective in ensuring that restaurants and theatres ordered to close stay closed. There are some countries elsewhere on earth where business owners have been able to bribe the authorities to look the other way, but that doesn't happen in EU countries.
Lifestyle restrictions have another 9-12 months.
What once started as "two weeks" will turn into almost TWO YEARS.