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A founding principle of this country is that you cannot have a right removed without due process. No fly lists, red flag laws, etc violate this.

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I think that no-fly lists are pure BS, but for the sake of argument, flying is not a right as long as it's provided by a private entity. When a private entity flies you from point A to point B they have the right to refuse service (see what happened to the anti-maskers that did not want to follow the airline guidelines)

I agree with you, but to answer your argument: the difference is that one is airlines choosing who they want to serve, and the other is the government choosing who airlines are allowed to serve.

I have no problem with the former, but I have a big problem with the latter, particularly as it's currently implemented.

^ Exactly. This disambiguation is essential.

I don't know exactly how this works, but you can definitely end up on the list because the airlines OR the gov want you on the list. I guess that once you're there it makes little difference, but I agree with you that these things should be treated differently (the same way in which your SSN is your personal identification number when this is not it's original purpose but private entities hijack it anyway)

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