One faction is actively doing everything they can to undermine our system of government, everyone else is not.
That is the divide.
That is the divide.
Why was election integrity highly questionable in 2016 (Russia, etc.), but not in 2020 after 4 years of Trump? Did something change in those 4 years to make election integrity unquestionable? In fact, election integrity is so unquestionable in 2020 that all the big tech companies are banding together to censor anything that questions election integrity.
If you identify with the right:
If there is a massive conspiracy to change the outcome of the election, why are not more whistleblowers coming forward? How was it coordinated across states?
The truth is that questionable things probably did happen in the 2020 election. The left needs to acknowledge this. The truth is that there isn't enough evidence that these questionable things probably didn't change the outcome of the election. The right needs to acknowledge this. Both sides need to agree on how to improve the 2024 election.
NO ONE claimed that the vote was illegitimate. NO ONE claimed that the ballot boxes had been stuffed. The 2016 vote was much closer than 2020 and still the party that lost accepted the result and even if they mumbled about 'not my President' there was no one claiming that the election was stolen.
Please stop with the bullshit both-sides claims, it is pathetic.
more like shouted it at the top of their lungs for 4 years straight
> I would love for you to provide citations and references for your claims that people questioned the validity of the 2016 election
> there was no one claiming that the election was stolen.
I mean, I lived the 2016 election I remember the response of my left leaning friends, and some of them absolutely believed the election was rigged. Some quick googling can dig up lots of articles from 2016:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/hillary-clinton-sugg...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/opinions/wp/2016/12/16/t...
https://www.lwv.org/newsroom/press-releases/2016-presidentia...
They do contain claims of voter suppression, which I'll note continue to be made by those on the left this year (and in 2018 and in pretty much every election, disenfranchisement is an ongoing concern on the left).
A 2018 YouGov poll said that 66% of democrats polled believe the claim that Russia tampered with vote tallies on Election Day to help the President.
> https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/20...
The mainstream claim by the right in 2020 is that there was widespread voter or election fraud (e.g. people voting multiple times, or people's votes being changed or vote counters not counting votes for a candidate).
There's a reasonable amount of evidence to support the assertions in 2016, including official government sources. There's reasonable amounts of evidence to conclude that many of the same tactics in 2016 were tried in 2020, including official government statements, but may have been less effective (due to awareness by the government, and policy changes by companies like Facebook and Google), and a lack of things like the DNC hack to make a big splash.
There's was no evidence of widespread voter or election fraud in 2016 or in 2020.
Someone that questions immigration laws isn't necessarily a white supremacist for example, but that narrative isn't as interesting (doesn't sell as much advertising) as the white supremacist one.
One faction actively did everything they could to undermine an election through fraud and impropriety, everyone else didn’t.
That is the divide.
This is what gp is talking about, both sides believing they are righteously just while they consume media in their bubbles.
You removed the words "system of" which changes the phrase from a democratic to a nationalistic one. Blind support for the government isn't healthy for a democracy.