The real issue for electric is that a 300 mile electric costs more than $35k because the world wide battery production capacity is limited.
If solid state batteries are easier to produce and the price comes down faster than lithium ion then there might be a crossover point by 2030. Until then, this probably means cooler high end sports cars (formula E?)
That they finally fulfilled a big part of their mission statement and got the biggest (single) Auto Manufacture to develop the battery tech to pivot their entire lineup to EV.
> It would be bad. But honestly Battery Tech to me is "I'll believe it when I see it".
Agreed. GM invested in the Badger to compete with the Cybertruck only for everything to fall apart at the last minute, I want to see this tech proven and on the road in the 100s of thousand of Camrys and Corollas they sell a year before I think it can pose a threat to Tesla. But maybe a merger happens?
The factory in Fremont used to be a Toyota factory after all. And Toyota's CEO has a 'real chef and kitchen' [0] and has its sight on them.
0: https://electrek.co/2020/11/06/toyota-ceo-goes-after-tesla-e...
Toyota has shipped fifteen million battery-powered cars and they started two decades before Tesla. I seriously doubt they were adrift until Tesla finally inspired them.
When they did fully electric RAV4 EV, they got the batteries from, wait for it, Tesla.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_RAV4_EV
Per Musk, when original RAV4 EV contract expired, Toyota wanted more batteries but Tesla refused because at the time they were battery limited even for their own cars and the planned Model 3.
Toyota apparently was incapable of doing the battery themselves so they terminated RAV4 EV production.
This is just the vaporware of the week. Next week there will be another “Tesla killer.”
Even if true, Toyota would still have to up its game on a number of other fronts.
In the short run, there just isn't enough battery manufacturing capacity for everyone who wants one to buy an electric car with two or three hundred plus miles of range. Toyota can fill some of that demand but probably not all of it.
Volkswagen will be getting their solid-state batteries from QuantumScape: https://electrek.co/2020/12/08/tesla-co-founder-jb-straubel-...
BMW will be getting their solid-state batteries from Solid Power: https://insideevs.com/news/438664/solid-power-all-solid-stat...
That’s a long time to catch up to Tesla, who can pull billions from capital markets on a whim.
The advantage they have is _at least they're on the road_, but, it's going to be tough even going in as the incumbent against a breakthrough and true differentiator like this - if Elon was 100% sober and on point on Battery Day, they still have a shot of not getting _too_ far behind for 3-5 years. But they'll need to figure out how to get to solid state long term without the associated IP or research. :/
nostradamus at this point, don't take it literally, but seriously: You can imagine they'd start looking like Blackberry - niche success among affluent users, ultimately, a stepping stone to the iPhone that'll revolutionize the industry wide, and hopefully Waymo decides to build 1P cars by 2030 and buys out Tesla for $80 billion.
It's always seemed clear to me that what would kill Tesla dead is Toyota moving into EVs in a big way - the reputation alone would carry them for a good long while.