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> Drinking a lot of alcohol and getting into a car is a choice.

Not taking a vaccine and interacting with other people is also a choice.

> they also show sleep deprivation is worse than alcohol for driving, but that's not illegal

Drowsy driving is difficult to prove, but generally held to be within the coverage of reckless driving laws. Some jurisdictions have expressly included coverage of it, as well, at least in the context of establishing the necessary illegality in vehicular homicide statutes (NJ and Arkansas.)

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Taking a rushed vaccine with God knows what long-term effects is not going to be a choice. Have fun with it. You are playing Russian roulette that I do not wish to play. In majority of the cases COVID-19 is not lethal at all, there should be no mandatory vaccines, especially not when we have no knowledge of its long-term effects and so on and so on. If you want you can take the Chinese or Russian vaccine. I do not want to. Anecdotal: my grandmother (over 70) has been in contact with 4 COVID-19 positive people. She developed no symptoms. I think this is way too overblown. She has been in contact with many old people, too. No symptoms.

> Apr 2, 2020: Asymptomatic transmission refers to transmission of the virus from a person, who does not develop symptoms. There are few reports of laboratory-confirmed cases who are truly asymptomatic, and to date, there has been no documented asymptomatic transmission.

Any news on this?

Down-voter: I literally quoted https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situati....

If you have news on it, say so instead of down-voting. I want to know how likely it is for asymptomatic people to spread the virus. I swear, I will keep checking the responses because I am curious how likely it is that people will catch it from me, excluding the fact that I do not leave the house for weeks (I work remotely).

You can’t argue with propaganda. Questioning vaccine safety on a “big tech” forum is wrongthink.

I'd love it if people questioning vaccine safety had actual numbers, instead of empty platitudes like '>50% of people who get COVID don't die'. (And if they made an apples to apples comparison with the numbers of not vaccinating. They never do, though, because the numbers don't help their argument.)

Most people who play one round of Russian Roulette don't die, either.

Look, I know for a fact that I was positive before. I was asymptomatic. I have an autoimmune disease. I do not want the vaccine for myself. Does the vaccine actually stop the spreading of COVID-19? Because according to other posts, we do not know that it does, all we know is that people would take it for their own safety, but do not know if it actually stops transmission, in which case we are just talking about whether or not I decide to risk my own health. I would risk it, considering I have been asymptomatic positive before, and I do not know what this vaccine would do to me given that I have an autoimmune disease. The vaccine seems much riskier to me, than COVID-19. That, plus I barely leave the house.

I ask for numbers... And I get an anecdote, and a personal opinion.

You are doing a fantastic job of proving my point.

Are you meant to reply to me? It seems quite odd. What numbers do you want from me? I think it is quite useful to know that 1) I have an autoimmune disease, 2) the vaccine has unknown side-effects especially for me, 3) I have been through COVID-19 without any issues, and 4) we do not know if it actually stops transmission. To get the vaccine is risky for me, regardless of your imaginary numbers.

Show me evidence it stops transmission, and show me evidence it is safe for people with autoimmune diseases. If they come back good, I might take that particular vaccine. If not, then get off my back. If it does not stop transmission, it should be my choice, and you are just giving me a selfish opinion. I am NOT going to risk my health, period. Risk yours if you wish.

> You are playing Russian roulette that I do not wish to play. In majority of the cases COVID-19 is not lethal at all

You accuse them of playing Russian roulette while you justify not taking the vaccine with "the majority of COVID cases aren't lethal"?

> I think this is way too overblown.

1.5 million people have died.

> I want to know how likely it is for asymptomatic people to spread the virus. I swear, I will keep checking the responses because I am curious how likely it is that people will catch it from me

If you're trying to determine the risk of someone catching it from you (and assuming that you'd immediately self-isolate when you start experiencing symptoms) you should be looking at pre-symptomatic transmission rather than just asymptomatic transmission.

Here's a study that finds that around 44% of infections happened in the presymptomatic stage: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0869-5?fbclid=IwA...

> 1.5 million people have died

But did they die FROM or WITH covid? That's the million dollar question. Here's CDC data that says 94% of Covid-19 deaths involved one or more comorbid conditions... i.e. these are not healthy people struck down in their prime... https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Co...

Point is, just a raw number doesn't actually make a great argument.

Even worse, it's a number without context. The most recent annual death stat I could find was for 2017 which saw about 54,750,000 deaths. So '1.5m dying from covid' is less than 3% of this year's deaths.

In my opinion, and the opinion of many others, those numbers seem a fair argument for the "overblown" POV.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e2.htm#F1_down is of interest.

I am certain many reported cases here are false, or "with COVID-19" cases as the other guy has said. I know, because a family member works at the hospital and we know what is going on there. They make up lies about the cause of death for funds they get after COVID-19 patients. This is our reality, sad but it is what it is.

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