When Rubber Hits the Road, and Washes Away
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Why would tires contain cadmium or lead?
Here's a good tire recycling plant.[1] The process is straightforward. Chop up the tires, re-chop to smaller pieces, magnetically separate metal tire cords, grind up remaining rubber component, ship rubber to plant that makes rubber products, ship steel to steel mill.
Many videos of tire recycling plants on Youtube show inefficient operations. Big piles of partially chopped up tires, no reduction to a usable powder, no metal separation, not enough throughput. Serious operations have a front-end loader putting tires into the input hopper. Ones that look like subsidized demo plants have someone putting one tire at a time onto a conveyor. (They also tend to have names involving "Eco" and "Green". The serious players talk about tons per hour and the value of the product that comes out.)
I guess because of the chemical additives used in the rubber manufacturing process to improve the rubber's material properties. E.g.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S102194981...
(a random article warning about heavy metal contamination of rubber stoppers used in drug manufacturing).
I remember 1493 talking about how natural rubber, while it has many otherwise useful properties, responds poorly to heat and cold. So vulcanization and other chemical transformations helped improve that and make rubber appropriate for a much wider range of applications. It looks like some of the vulcanization processes use metal oxides, including lead oxides, as an additive. The examples on the Wikipedia page using lead oxides are for neoprene (which is unlikely to be in tires, I guess) but it seems that butadiene, which is in tires, is made with "metal oxide catalysts"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butadiene
I wonder if the catalysts contaminate the resulting product or something. (Clearly the butadiene itself isn't supposed to contain metals and the catalyst, being a catalyst, isn't supposed to be absorbed into the reaction.)
Could there be rubber manufacturers who just throw some heavy metal oxides directly into their rubber because they're cheap and they help make the end product more durable, even though there are in principle better and safer ways to achieve the same results? Maybe they're thinking "this particular rubber isn't going to be eaten or come in contact with food, and it's not going to come in contact with skin very much, so it doesn't really matter if it's a bit toxic". I've seen Prop 65 warnings for lead on all sorts of electrical cables -- maybe it was used to manufacture the rubbers and vinyls in the insulators?
I wouldn’t. The regulations are outdated and for heavier cars like Evs you need all the stopping power you can get.
Tesla Model 3: 3,686lbs Audi A4 2020: 3417-3627 2020 BMW 3-Series: 3582
This is one area where I’ll proudly admit I come before mother nature. As George Carlin famously said the planet will be here long after I’m gone.
The stopping distance fetish is weird in any case, whatever benefit you got from stopping faster is obviated by the outsized inflation in vehicle weights.
The obstacles you named(visual obstructions) are all also things that should not exist as much as they do in their current forms. Daylighting intersections to improve sight lines, smaller cars to prevent crushing kids and also improve sight lines, narrower streets to reduce speeds are not idealized abstract scenarios. Plenty of countries outside of the USA have this as a reality and a few have achieved 0 traffic deaths, and that is owed almost entirely to street design, not bigger car tires.
‘Shit Happens’, yes. But there are significantly better ways to make ‘shit happen’ less, and make it less deadly for the people outside of a car.
Making the changes you propose in urban settings wouldn't even be sufficient. Or do you also mean to clearcut all forests within 50 meters of all roads, then nuke the grass with herbicides? A year ago when driving Alaska Highway 5 during dusk I was nearly killed by a moose. The trees there were cut away from the roads, but the grass was high enough to hide the moose until I was almost next to it. And about ten years ago in Pennsylvania, I did hit a deer in similar circumstances. Thankfully I was able to slow down enough that it didn't come through my windshield. There is no way in hell I would ever opt for any system that increases my stopping distance. ABS and good tires are no longer optional as far as I'm personally concerned.
Assuming speed limits stay the same, but deaths and injuries continue to rise, at what point would you say we have a ‘bad balance’ and should adjust? What is your ‘balance’ based on? Is there some ratio of VMT(vehicle miles traveled) to occurrences of deaths and dismemberment that you keep in mind?
My balance is based on my personal values and risk assessment. I don’t fear injuries or death when I get on the road. Nor do I fear it when walking or on my bicycle. Overall the system is pretty safe and I like my modern conveniences. My point is simply to say that perfect safety isn’t a realistic or desirable goal since the returns for the risks are high.
[0] https://www.ghsa.org/sites/default/files/2019-02/FINAL_Pedes...
[1] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-autos-traffic-deaths-...
Second line from the bottom of your original comment, you do.
>Planes also promise fast travel times, but if a plane crashes, we heavily investigate the cause and figure out a solution so it doesn’t occur again. The USA experiences the equivalent of over 100 Boeing 747 plane crashes a year(and rising), counting only deaths due to traffic crashes. The number spikes significantly higher when you factor in people with severe injuries who will never fully recover(think: losing arms, legs, brain damage,etc..).
>Assuming speed limits stay the same, but deaths and injuries _continue_ to rise, at what point would you say we have a ‘bad balance’ and should adjust? What is your ‘balance’ based on? Is there some ratio of VMT(vehicle miles traveled) to occurrences of deaths and dismemberment that you keep in mind?
In my opinion, the real difference if the intelligence of the driver when it comes to laws, vehicle dynamics, and decision making. The US driver's test is a joke. You can see that other countries (think EU members) have tougher tests and fewer fatalities per mile, while in some cases also having higher speed limits.
But if speed is the issue and you are insinuating that a speed of 0 solves the issue, then how do you propose we move from one point of space to another? You have injuries and fatalities with other modes of transportation as well.
Here is where the problem lay! Expecting drivers to always be attentive, lest they kill someone(or multiple people) is not a sane way to reduce traffic fatalities and injuries. You stated it yourself that driver inattention / error is a contributing factor in most crashes. In NYC, driver inattention / distraction and 'Failure to yield right of way' are the two largest leading causes of pedestrian and cyclist injuries and fatalities[0].
Sure, better education can reduce the likelihood a crash happens, but it does not reduce the severity of a crash when it happens. Reducing the severity of crashes means designing infrastructure that keeps the most vulnerable road users safe.
> I believe fatal accidents are required by law to be extensively investigated
I can't speak for most places in the USA, but in NYC this is entirely false. There are many instances of NYPD showing up to fatal crashes, asking the driver(who just ran someone over) what happened, and then just taking their word for it. It usually takes a team of lawyers at the behest of the family of the deceased to actually gather evidence[1][2]. A councilmember in NYC recently proposed a bill to get NYPD out of crash investigations for this very reason[3]
[0]http://crashmapper.org/#/?cfat=true&cinj=true&endDate=2020-1...
[1] https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2020/11/24/queens-pedestrian-is-...
[2] https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2017/06/15/nypd-no-charges-no-ti...
[3]https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5b2052b12487fd3fa17f0...
Reducing the accidents is the goal. There are safety studies done prior to installing new infrastructure or when deemed necessary due to accidents. There are already things like bike lanes, crosswalks, plastic bumpers, etc to keep people safe. Education and testing is the best solution as it would provide a reduction of fatalities not just in the cities, but also on the highways. You can see that the fatality rate is about double compared to countries that have stricter tests.
Driver knowledge(and vision, and reaction time) is extremely important, and I completely agree that the USA is too lax in regards to licensing — One need only look at Georgia, where they ‘paused’ the need to pass a road test to be licensed[0].
But again, that’s only one piece to the puzzle. What we need is simply a change in how much a driver should be responsible for, as it’s clear that we can’t expect drivers to react in time to prevent crashes, and the shortest stopping distance in the world still wouldn’t make much of a difference in most serious crashes.
In many cities in the Netherlands and Sweden for example, they’ve mostly addressed the ‘people problem’ by designing roads to minimize conflicts between different modes of transport by default. On the other hand, in places like NYC, The DOT designs bike lanes with ‘mixing zones’ as the defacto standard. It goes completely against the primary idea of ‘Vision Zero’, which is understanding that humans make mistakes, and designing infrastructure to reduce the likelihood that mistake kills or injures someone.
[0]https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/30/us/georgia-drivers-license-ro...
It would be great to incorporate safe design aspects, although vision zero doesn't seem to be working well so far in NYC and they are even suggesting more education for cyclists in the form of licenses. But even just the increased drivers test requirements could cut fatalities by about half.
No matter how small your car, and no matter how perfect your attention to your surroundings, larger tires are safer.
Light car with big tires is veeeery sketchy to drive in rain. I had a Miata with 225 wide super sticky tires and I couldn’t go over 60 on the highway without being very nervous. I went down to 205s and it’s way more street friendly.
Roads with some gravel, dirt, or otherwise not so perfect are also not great with too big of a tire because the car rolls on the little pebbles or rocks instead of shaping itself around it. The pounds per inch go down enough that the tire won’t get pushed around the rock to contact the asphalt.
There is a “safe for the average guy” tire width and a “experienced enthusiast that wants some extra Gs in the turns” width.
New car (stops 60-0 in 101'): Doing 30mph. Middle school kid just didn't look and stepped into the road about 35' in front of me. I slammed the clutch and brake and the deceleration was very rapid. No contact or injuries - plenty of room. Not sure how he didn't hear the loud(ish) car coming up the hill prior to that.
Old car (60-0 in 120' when new, more likely much longer at this point): Doing about 35 mph. High school kid wearing earbuds decides to step out without looking about 20' in front of me. I feather the pedal and it wasn't looking good. At least the kid heard the right front lock-up an got back on the side of the road. If he were walking on the correct side of the road, this wouldn't have been an issue since you can see the oncoming traffic close to you (no sidewalk).
What is it with people not looking before crossing the street? They teach this in pre-K/Kindergarden.
Your fence analogy is flawed. The fence is a requirement by law, just as crosswalks and their use are required by law. Neither kid was using a crosswalk or even gave any indication they were going to cross the street (such as turning to look at traffic). They simply stepped into traffic without looking. There's no legal basis for a driver to be held responsible in the scenarios I described where the driver is operating lawfully (attentive, at or under the speed limit, etc) and the pedestrian decides to step out without any indication and in violation of the law. The driver in that scenario performed all their lawful duties but even a lawful driver is not likely to be able to stop a car that takes 30-40 feet to stop at 35mph when someone steps out at 20 feet. Just as someone with a fence around their pool would have fulfilled their lawful duties if a high school kid tresspassed by jumping that fence and drowned.
Parents have a duty to safeguard their children. If you allow your child to go unsupervised, then you could be found responsible their actions if they do something wrong (parent's negligence in not supervising a minor). Some states or cities even make it a crime to allow a child under a specific age to go unsupervised whether they did something wrong or not (curfews are very common). But it is generally up to the parent to decide if their child can safely perform an action such as walking along a street or staying home alone.
I'd hardly call 30-35 mph high speed, unless we're calling bicycles high speed too. Typically when talking about cars, high speed would be considered at least highway speeds in excess of 50mph.
"The stopping distance fetish is weird in any case, whatever benefit you got from stopping faster is obviated by the outsized inflation in vehicle weights."
I'm not sure what you mean by this. I have actually weighed vehicles in the past and the weight was very close to the specs. If we are talking about sports cars (where the majority of spec discussions occur), then I would gladly see people talking about stopping distance opposed/in addition to the horsepower "fetish" - you have to be able to stop those ponies.
Traffic is a place where everyone is going with ~1 ton boxes and nobody (incl. me) is not knowing what they're doing so, every mm of safety is preferable.
What I want to know is how many of the people in these comments talking about unconscionable even an extra millimeter of stopping distance is are actually putting their money where their mouth is and buying season specific tires.
Also, I have owned high performance 200 treadwear tires. The millimeters you are talking about can be meters at highway speeds. You are looking at a return in safety that increases substantially with speed. Roughly, your stopping distance quadruples when you double speed. So 30 feet at 30 mph turns into 120 feet at 60 mph (depending on a ton of factors, including tires). So some people who drive at highway speeds such as 80 mph may prefer the extra safety of performance tires which could shorten their stopping distances by 20 feet.
But the advent of ABS and Disc Brakes is also a big factor in stopping power & distance.
I suspect what’s going on is that heavy truck and bus tires are shedding the bulk of the mass.
I’m not sure if there’s a takeaway other than a preference for rail when all else is equal.
1.25 kg/tire/year is a totally unbelievable quantity for a passenger car tire to shed annually.
20,000 km would be 100-400g per tire.
EDIT: Sorry, the units in the table shift from km, mi, single tire, axle, whole car, and it took me several tries to get the right numbers.
https://cfpub.epa.gov/si/si_public_file_download.cfm?p_downl...
I'm glad those ROHS rules are in place but the tradeoffs are real.
I think there's been a learning process since the adoption of Pb-free processes. Solder alloys have improved, package sizes have conveniently shrunk, you have underfill for BGA if necessary. Also when designing for high-vibe or large ∆temp, there's lab testing (shaker table, env. chamber) work that gets done esp. for safety-related hardware
Like, yes, Pb-free has considerations, but so does any other component of a system. I find that I usually don't have to give it much thought these days, and the fracture failures I've seen could have been mitigated by design changes rather than returning to Pb solder.
If the tax attaches at point of production, the incentive is to use the output that is cheaper including the tax, or the best mix possible, shifting to less consumptive processes over time even if they can't meet demand at the start.
Take water meters, a current topic in NZ. Some cities don't have them, some do. When I was last in the industry (over a decade ago) research had tended to show that after introduction of meters (usually with price rises) there was a reduction in per-household demand. But over the course of a few years this reduction vanished: households were back on their old water consumption trend. Water wasn't a big enough cost to matter either way.
(Commercial consumers have always been metered, so there isn't a lot of evidence there. Those I looked at had good reasons for using as much water as they did.)
If producers have to absorb the tax, things will probably work out as you say. If they can pass it along without losing much demand, maybe not.
And of course folks will advocate for tiers and caps and exemptions and incentives and all manner of other mess to try and further distort the market to match their notion of fairness. Then everybody buying water will need to be a spreadsheet ninja to figure out how not to go broke while still managing to bathe.
(I've not made a typo, it's ~$150/acre-foot for the expensive irrigation water)
So $0.05 to bathe. I think "market" effects aren't causing the problem.
A better way, that most governments in fact use, is to set performance standards that manufacturers of water-using appliances must meet, and progressively tighten those standards. Low-flow shower heads, aerating mixer taps, garden irrigation controls, low water use washing machines and dishwashers, and so on.
(And: tighten standards on local authorities/water utility companies also. Between 10% (in rich first-world cities) and 70% (in cities with colonial-era infrastructure) of water is lost due to leaks in pipes or pipe joints.)
If you wanted to go all big brother meters could be adapted to reduce flow rates after a certain daily consumption limit is exceeded.
A second possible alternative to taxation is "cap and trade". Every household gets a yearly allocation. Households wanting to use more buy part of the allocation of those that can use less. (Or grandparents donate them to their children while the grandchildren are at home.) Over time the cap reduces.
Both of those methods have less impact on poor people than simply increasing the price of an essential good.
Edit: all of this is fiddling around the edges when it comes to water, because the big consumer is agriculture. And governments almost without exception subsidize agricultural water consumption in one way or another. If they stopped doing that and imposed performance standards as with domestic usage, then agriculture would use water more efficiently.
But the water thing was just an example. For carbon taxes, the price increase has to be noticeable to the end consumer and explained as being due to carbon content, and reasonable alternatives have to be known to exist. (Which they now are, thanks in the USA mainly to Tesla. In Europe, there is public transport, and better urban design e.g. in Hidalgo's Paris.)
Helping poorer people is a separate problem, that has a very easy solution. Give them money. Of course, this is politically unpalatable as the costs are very transparent (and requisite increase in taxes for richer people).
Summer blend tires did not used to be so prevalent but many sports sedans started to put them on to give the road grip that people expected. Then some tires run a bit soft to dampen road noise. So besides changing road surfaces the costs can be passed onto tire blends that are designed to shed. A few dollars on a price of a summer tire isn't going to be noticed considered their upfront costs usually are much higher than standard tires
7/10, Expectations exceeded.
From TFA.