Tell HN: Thank You Dang
Thank you dang. You keep this community vibrant and interesting, yet civil.
Thank you dang. You keep this community vibrant and interesting, yet civil.
I've seen heated discussions here. Dang always offers constructive guidance when discourse devolves or gets off topic. It's never preachy, and it usually leads to amicable results when I see it.
In years past I commented in frustration that HN was at risk of becoming like Reddit. Dang said not to do this and pointed out a community rule discouraging it. Looking back, I was completely wrong in that judgment. HN is one of the few places that really hasn't changed. There are brilliant people from all walks of life and at various intersections of our industry, all coming together to ask questions and share our perspective. There isn't anything else like it.
HN isn't without faults, but it's the best community on the Internet as far as I'm aware. Frequently informative, always entertaining. I learn more every day because of HN.
Dang,
https://imgur.com/a/w7SRSzF (warning: audio)
Thank you.
[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23968134
[2] https://gigazine.net/news/20200728-vocodes/
[3] https://hightech.fm/2020/07/28/ai-celebrity-voice
[4] https://hypebeast.kr/2020/7/vocodes-free-launching-text-to-s...
[5] https://www.larazon.es/tecnologia/20200803/zdj5mf47zfc6rmci5...
Such things don't happen by accident, and a lot of quality contributors is clearly not enough, or many other sites would be as good. Thanks, dang, for your work in keeping HN worth visiting. It becomes all the more impressive with each passing year.
I genuinely have a hard time believing you are one person. HN being one of the most important tools that contributed to my growth as a developer and a business owner, dang I feel I personally owe you so much for contributing so much to HN. Thank you dang.
p.s you are like a modern day good guy ninja. Hiding in the shadows taking out the bad guys :D
--edit--
Fixed a spelling error.
What happens to me oftentimes, when not focusing on what I'm typing, is that I misspell words like "theme" as "team". I think it's because my muscle memory sloppily translates what my brain is hearing since it's not focusing on the context, and those two words sound similar. This is also how "your" sometimes gets mixed with "you're", even though I most definitely know the difference and spot the mistake immediately when proofreading.
Not really, there are decent programming communities, but the ones I know aren't using english.
I have certainly noticed "ebbs" of an Eternal September vibe here too, but they quickly dispel and the types of comments that come from it get downvoted anyway, so it's not as noticeable.
Regardless, I am so grateful to have a place of meaningful discussion, and of so many different topics.
Edit: Maybe being high quality and diverse is its niche!
This was actually my only quibble with HN. I love the simplicity and the fact that HN doesn't suffer from the "obesity" that plagues modern websites, but I felt it could use some features.
For instance, the ability to filter it by time (it does have that filter already for days, months and so on, but not hours), or have an official app for the site could be awesome. Or a notification system. I already solved the first two of these issues by using 3rd party solutions (hckrnews.com and Materialistic) but supporting them officially would be great. I didn't find a solution for the 3rd issue, though; at least not one that I felt was useful.
But others don't feel the same way. When I googled around to see why these issues weren't addressed, the consensus seemed to be that there's no need for it for one reason or another. Oh, well. Other benefits of HN outweigh these minor issues, though. So overall, not that big of a deal for me.
[HnRSS](https://hnrss.github.io/)
(though if it's too niche it might just be not that lively)
I think it's quite funny that the UI we prefer is so different from the ones we create in our daytime jobs. And it's also very different from the UIs in most "Show HN" posts.
Probably because we are not the ones who make the requirements
> And it's also very different from the UIs in most "Show HN" posts
... or maybe we are after all
I'd also put money on the average age of HN commenter being higher than that of other internet communities.
I know of other rich and healthy online communities, but they are fairly niche.
It is quite interesting what people are willing to believe when individuals in power state these things with great certainty. But personally I prefer to have my fiction and real-world views separated by a healthy dose of skepticism.
I could post a pro-socialism argument and get upvoted, I could post a pro-capitalism argument and get upvoted. I could criticize GMOs, or praise them. I could probably defend Trump if I'm thoughtful about it, or decry him.
Can I say "Capitalism/Socialism/GMOs/Trump is dumb" and get upvoted? No. Can I point out problems (or benefits) of them? Yes--so long as I'm not inflammatory about it.
It's the good old "Culture eats strategy for breakfast."
I love HN culture.
That might be true. However, from my experience maturity is way more important than actual age. Some maturity comes with age, but a lot of it is also individual behaviour in my opinion.
By and large, it wasn't terrible. Most people are nice and some have bad days.
What it did convince me of was the immense value of (a) down-featuring new users & (b) temp-banning.
Most of the trouble stemmed from either new users (by definition, uncultured) or a small subset of toxic users.
Because ultimately, communities are like biological systems, with far too many processes and independent entities going on to be controlled. In environments like that, toxic behavior can be cancerous by convincing others it's acceptable. And by the time you've found the source, multiple people are already acting like that too. Hate breeds hate.
Burn out is real though, mostly because it's a never ending job, and you tend to see a stream of people at their worst.
So thanks, dang et al. I appreciate you on the job, and I appreciate you more staying on the job.
What is this?
Come on, the Internet is vast, of course there are many communities like this one. But most people in those communities, like myself, do not advertise them. We do not want them ruined. You find them either by chance, or by invitation.
Almost all other internet communities have mods that just do it on a volunteer basis. If those communities are big enough to be vibrant, that also means that a couple volunteer mods can't cut it. Luckily YC has the budget for keeping dang around. I would bet this place would be like most other poorly moderated communities without him.
Thanks dang for helping us keep the signal-to-noise ratio high throughout the years!
Those interactions and attention to moderation keep me here. Moderating this sort of thing is no light task and I have a huge amount of respect for those who keep it sane, fun, cordial, and interesting
Thanks dang!
Thank you dang! HN is one of the few places on the internet that feels the same as it did 10 years ago.
Various newspaper and magazine sites, and the Internet Archive. No other discussion or conversation sites.
Well, that about describes it :3
Unleashing the benevolent AlphaDang moderation AI across the internet will salvage the web, and ultimately all of mankind.
He's a thoughtful, understanding, caring human being, not a big pile of auto-correlating code.
1. the Joel on Software forum, which was great, with a similar clean design, but didn't last as long (Joel got tired of moderating it, probably)
https://discuss.fogcreek.com/joelonsoftware/ (now has an outdated cert :-( )
2. Usenet. Epic thread that gives you a picture of what happened to Usenet: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24772142 (a flame war between drummers went on for 20 years, and one of them is even flamed 8 years after his death!!!)
Random sample of how bad it could be: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.makers.percussion/c/-E...
But that's like saying "email". USENET isn't a forum, it is a standard decentralized distribution mechanism owned by nobody (like email).
Some newsgroups were a disaster even back in '90 and many were awesome back then. Most decayed but even today there are a few corners of USENET which thrive (I still read a few newsgroups every week with trn).
Design choices in the software influence people's behavior, as well as influencing which people join and participate to begin with. I imagine Facebook groups are largely different than subreddits for the same reason.
I was a pretty early Reddit user, I think 2007 or so. And it definitely got worse, so by ~2012 I had almost entirely stopped using it.
But since ~2016, there are a couple communities I like, so I'm back on there. There could be gems on Usenet for sure ... but I checked the forums I used to frequent and you know what happened :)
What I was getting at is that NNTP and SMTP (and the infrastructure surrounding the protocols) is all standard and non-proprietary, nobody owns them and anyone can run them so there can be as many communities as may be interested.
Of course there are exceptions but, it's much better than some of the places which just punish you for being late, being a beginner, making a mistake or just thinking differently.
He might be the sole reason that I'm attached to this place like a koala defending his branch.
Thanks a lot, honestly.
Thank you Dang!
I hope dang has Ycombinator equity because he deffo deserves a part of the success.
What I most like about this group is that I can relate to a lot of the members who have similar experiences, stories and interests. This is the first online community that I feel I really belong.
Thanks HN for "making everyday a little bit better!" :-)
https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-silicon-valley/th...
Thanks for moderating and thanks for actually answering my mails dang!
I really appreciate the moderation of HN, and looking back at everything, makes me appreciate it even more.
Thanks for enforcing the standards of this community through the years, I believe HN might have grown a lot in userbase but the side-effects of that have been pretty minimal so far. This is not an easy task for any online community.
If HN is like a flowing river that supplies the world with wisdom and perspective, Dang is the filter that removes pollutants and the keeper that adds tributaries.
People around the globe are indebted to your tireless and exemplary moderation of the HN community. The kindness, graciousness, and patience you exhibit -- even in the face of nasty remarks and biting insults -- is a model for everyone to emulate.
Lots of good "voice of experience" to be had as well. High value.
Appreciated.
Thank you, dang!
On the subject of being a better human, dang has been an influential teacher.
I’m incredibly thankful for HN but not everything needs to be great.
Dang, you deserve an heartfelt thank you for keeping healthy this community.
In the course of some years hn has become gradually my main source of news and many times the comments are actually more interesting than the story itself!
Considering the present state of the web, this is almost a miracle.
There is no place like home: thanks to your efforts hn is a safe place for me.
Thanks for all the advice when I was new to HN. It is appreciated.
Does Dang ever write about what it's like to moderate HN, and what tools s/he/they have at their disposal? Also, is Dang almost like a Satoshi or is it a real person??
Dang’s mod work has been amazing. I have always gotten reasonable and complete response from them here and on email. I have high respect for them.
I would love to know more about their moderation workflow.
May it live long and prosper!
maybe dang is just the acronym for the AI system of a new startup being incubated at YC
https://blog.ycombinator.com/meet-the-people-taking-over-hac...
The Hacker News community is my favorite thing on the internet - and a good chunk of its success is due to your hard work!
Dan also helped promote one of my open-source projects. I'm grateful for all that he does.
Your work on HN has been tireless and awesome!
(Paul Graham, if you're listening, give Dan a raise!!!)
Dankjewel dang!
dang, thanks!
(psst, thanks realdang)