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ZigBee is wonderful. Everybody wants to either collect your data, money, or both though, so it stays niche

Don't Ikea products use ZigBee? Does that count as niche?

Yes (the Tradfri line). I just bought some to set up with home assistant and they all have the ZigBee logo.

I was a little surprised, but pleased, to see that Lidl are launching a smart home line this week, which is all ZigBee too - that is definitely not niche either. They even mention the interoperability and privacy as selling points!

For those of us not quite as in the know, what exactly is ZigBee?

It’s a home automation protocol, like X10. You buy devices that can talk ZigBee to a hub device (probably can use a computer on your local network for this). From the hub you can do all the usual automation tasks.

To extend that slightly: it's a low-throughput, low-power mesh network that doesn't need the smarts or power draw of Wifi. Because it needs an in-home hub anyway, it's unlikely to die without Internet access, and devices on the standard have at least some level of basic inter-operability.

So if I wanted to say put a bunch of sensors in my house to monitor temperature over time without necessarily tying that info to my thermostat or anything, is this ZigBee thing a promising thing to look into?

Yep, you can do one without the other.

The bigger hassle seems to be different zigbee hubs that have varying levels of compatibility, so while you can pair the devices you can't get the data you want.

I've just been down the research rabbit hole, and about to try using zigbee2mqtt to bypass this nonsense (this also then means the only internet connectivity will be through a device you control)

Yes, and there is even a great FLOSS hub software Home Assistant [0] (though to be fair, it requires some tinkering compared to the proprietary systems) and if you run it on a PI or small server, you might as well get a conbee II which is a USB stick that adds Zigbee support directly :)

[0]: https://www.home-assistant.io/

It’s a wireless standard, like Bluetooth Low Energy or Wi-Fi, not a home automation standard. Actually predates BLE.

there's also a difference between IoT and "look ma I wired an ESP32 to a DHT22 and sent data to timstream on my NAS". The latter is entirely you. WiFI isn't the issue, it's running cloud based hardware that can't work without someone's servers.

Also systems like Philips Hue use ZigBee protocol. We have Hue lights at home and I'm planning to plug a ConBee II to my router for the Home Assistant to see how well I can run the lights with another hub.

Philips Hue hub talks to diagnostics.meethue.com all the time, and it gets kind of annoying already in the pihole stats.

Zwave too.

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