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> American politics has long since ceased being about policy and idea's

I don't know how anyone can say this and be considered a serious person.

One American party denies climate change, downplays COVID19, tries to take healthcare from millions, tries to disenfranchise anyone not voting for them, limits legal immigration and asylum seekers, and refuses to admit there is a problem with systemic racism.

But by all means, remain "apolitical," since apparently this isn't about policy anymore. Wacky stuff man...

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What exactly is wacky about limiting legal immigration and/or asylum if that is what the citizens want? IMHO, Those don't seem like insane ideas when there is crazy amounts of unemployment in the country.

Well, some of it's illegal according to treaties the US has ratified.

I'm taking everything that is being proposed in good faith. There is a legal manner in which a country controls who gets to come in. Whether they have to modify treaties or not, I don't know - I'm not an expert on international jurisprudence.

Whatever your political views are, my point was that there is a clear delineation between parties.

Being apathetic to politics is consequential in and of itself.

As to your claim about immigration, I'm not interested in defending any particular policy position. But, there is some research that indicates immigration boosts overall labor participation [1].

http://giovanniperi.ucdavis.edu/uploads/5/6/8/2/56826033/per...

>Whatever your political views are, my point was that there is a clear delineation between parties.

It doesn't help your case when you lump arguable, but sane positions with denying climate change.

Not especially sane, no.

They're particular to the modern conservative party.

>They're particular to the modern conservative party.

Many of my liberal friends believe in crazy stuff like russiagate or defending BLM looters/rioters or proudly voting for a political candidate that supported bombings in the middle east that lead to the death of countless civilians (including kids) while simultaneously villainizing Dubya for being a war mongering criminal.

You'll have to excuse me for not seeing your "clear delineation" - whatever that means.

> One American party denies climate change, downplays COVID19, tries to take healthcare from millions, tries to disenfranchise anyone not voting for them, limits legal immigration and asylum seekers, and refuses to admit there is a problem with systemic racism.

This doesn’t describe either party. Also, there isn’t a problem with systemic racism. And no, I don’t support the party that you think.

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