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I really don't believe people think that way, unfortunately. Many people see this as the "natural order of things". The idea that a significant percentage of the population should be in debt, jobless or lacking healthcare coverage has been normalized and institutionalized in the US.

Anyone who wants to change this will be fighting an uphill battle against cultural norms, vested business interests and ideological positions.

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Its usually all of the above. In debt, jobless AND lacking healthcare.

They do? Who are these people?

Lol. which people? The ones questioning why we should accept this or the ones foisting this on the population?

I could tell you but I'll be b& from commenting. :-)

I would personally prefer a direct answer. Then your post could be informative and discussed. Perhaps you could add nuance to the discourse. I think that by joking around that you’d be banned for doing so prevents that discussion from happening

It's no joke, pal.

Everyone that votes republican. Even many centrist democrats think so.

Everyone who votes republican doesn't believe that.

Maybe some republicans simply think realistic solutions are not those you believe will work.

I’m from a Republican family in a culturally conservative part of the upper Midwest. It’s disappointing to see the national level Republican Party so diminished as to be seemingly nihilistic. Unless it falls in the bucket of tax cuts or deregulation, there seems to be so little positive vision of what the future should look like.

I've seen the same among most Republicans I know. They're despondent because the Republican party these days is just fighting against the far-leftists that are taking over the Democrat party. It's basically a one-way ratchet leftward: the Democrats get power and move stuff, then the Republicans get power and just prevent movement for a few years. The Libertarian party is the only one that's truly fighting for a better future with things like small government, gun rights, and lower taxes. The LP presents a positive vision of the future and a plan to get there that I like. So I'll keep voting Libertarian, even though I know we have no chance.

Maybe the idea is the government shouldn't be in the business of saying what they future should look like?

The government keeps the roads fixed and the playing field level and the country safe. People, as individuals say what the future looks like.

> The idea that a significant percentage of the population should be in debt, jobless or lacking healthcare coverage has been normalized and institutionalized.

FWIW, that's only true in America, which is only 5% of the world's population.

Hundreds of millions of people around the world have it much better.

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