... for what they actually did.
You think the solution is allowing people to be blackmailed or otherwise publicly embarrassed for things they didn't do, while removing their ability to verify that they didn't do them?
... for what they actually did.
You think the solution is allowing people to be blackmailed or otherwise publicly embarrassed for things they didn't do, while removing their ability to verify that they didn't do them?
Being gay is not a crime, and yet people can be blackmailed with it. It is very easy to open yourself up to blackmail by perfectly legitimate activities.
We shouldn’t be building technical systems that “trap” people, just because they might be doing something bad and might want to prove that one day.
Additionally you’re also ignoring the whole “people have the right, to not have their emails stolen” argument. DKIM signatures are only useful if the emails are stolen, are you trying to suggest that it’s ok to steal emails from people if they’re bad?
No, just the opposite, that is an excellent argument and I think that the privacy should be the real focus when we discuss the freedom, and not the accountability. Because freedom is not to be able to get away for the lack of evidence, freedom is not to put innocent people in that kind of situation in the first place.
Police state doesn't come from the ability to track citizens, it comes from the lack of transparency and government's misuse of the information. Now, reality is that having more data collecting increases the chances of misuse, but I think we're attacking the problem from the wrong side. Rather than killing the option to track emails, there should be much more control and transparency on when and how that data can be collected and used.
Option 1: DKIM keys stay private... "That email was just a joke, I'm not really gay" Option 2: DKIM keys go public... "That email was just someone else's joke, I'm not really gay"
Not really a difference, and with option 2 you can't prove you didn't send it (as far as you can prove someone didn't crack 2048 bit RSA and use that power to concern themselves with your sex life).
Being able to prove a fascist dictator who was killing people for being gay, was secretly engaging in gay acts themselves, might help your cause of protecting gay people.
How?
If the keys were public, they could claim forgery. Regardless they could claim their account was hacked, but they couldn't deny the message was sent from their account.
You can't be blackmailed by someone who has no plausible evidence.
Some google employees have direct and indirect access to signing keys or writing emails. Not many, and they have good controls, but still many people with the ability to sign messages.
Not to mention a Trojan infiltration or account takeover, of which thousands (if not millions) a day occur.
The DKIM evidence is, for legal purposes, a good hint but far from proof.
I fail to see how admissibility or lack of it, in a court of law or of public opinion, has anything to do with DKIM+Hunter Biden. Can you elaborate?
I am not sure why the DKIM for all emails were not released, or why this did not catch more media coverage by other news organizations I consider more reliable (like NYT).
From your link:
> The only way the email could have been faked is if someone hacked into Google's servers, found the private key, and used it to reverse engineer the email's DKIM signature, Graham, said.
https://www.zdnet.com/article/google-fixes-major-gmail-bug-s... is from Aug 2020 and discusses an SPF/DMARC vulnerability that was in Google since forever (and though reported 4 months before public disclosure, was fixed only 7 hours after public disclosure). The last google DKIM bug I'm aware of was in 2012, so I can't counter the specific claim about DKIM with evidence, but the assertion that "the only way to spoof x is to hack and get the private key" is not any absolute truth.
(P.S: I have seen no denial nor confirmation about the authenticity of the Hunter Biden data - only claims of Russian involvement. Make of that what you will. The DKIM is circumstantial data until there is confirmation or denial - especially, as you say, it's not all released).
I am not insinuating any wrongdoing from anyone, just bringing it to your attention, as you claimed to not know about it.
But it does support my thesis that DKIM or no DKIM is not what gives (or doesn't give) any credence to the authenticity (or lack of it) -- here we have a high profile case, with DKIM validation (which a lot of people on this thread cleim "is considered proof by people who don't understand it") and it seems to make no difference even in the court of public opinion - those who accepted it, accpeted it without DKIM, and those who rejected it as russian disinformation, rejected it even with DKIM.
You really couldn't find any? Come on. Did you Google "DKIM Biden"?
I've read literally hundreds of pieces on the hunter biden laptop, about half of them from republican leaning outlets, (I try to keep a balanced diet....) and none of them mentioned DKIM validation.
(For the record: I don't live in the US, I don't watch television, but I do try to keep a balanced news diet)
Evidence was destroyed.
Edit: Removed the word "literally" because it was incorrect and caused distraction from the actual argument.
Which is very distinctly different from a passive act of not maintaining evidence of the origin of every single thing. Keep in mind that no data is altered - the equivalent of all collected samples remaining intact.
It's still just as possible to collect email logs, their contents do not magically dissappear. They would have to be actively manipulated by the party which holds the copy that would be provided to the police (either reported to them or confiscated, etc). That same party could already decide to delete the emails or strip signatures and then alter them.
People get blackmailed, shamed, hurt and even killed over mere rumors, speculations and suspicions. As long as people believe in something (because something merely look plausible), there's no need for a fancy crypto to prove some machine sent some email. I'd dare to say most people don't even understand what cryptography is and what digital signatures really are (who signs what and what exactly this means).
I'm yet to hear a story of, let's say, a brave dissident who got out of jail because of cryptographic plausible deniability property making their oppressors unable to prove authenticity of some leaked or intercepted correspondence.
All blackmail involves things a person actually did... otherwise it would be libel or slander.
You seem to be arguing that blackmail shouldn't be illegal.