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Mostly a sweep in Apple's favour, though multicore is only 20-25% better.

https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/search?q=4750U https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q...

Assuming that geekbench is reflective of actual perf (I'm not yet convinced) there is also the GPU, and the fact that AMD is sitting on a 20% IPC uplift and is still on 7nm.

So if they release a newer U part in the next few months it will likely best this device even on 7nm. An AMD part with a edram probably wouldn't hurt either.

It seems to me that apple hasn't proven anything yet, only that they are in the game. Lets revisit this conversation in a few years to see if they made the right decision from a technical rather than business perspective.

The business perspective seems clear, they have likely saved considerably on the processor vs paying a ransom to intel.

edit: for the downvoters, google Cezanne, because its likely due in very early 2021 and some of the parts are zen3. So apple has maybe 3 months before another set of 10-15W amd parts drop.

Sad to see downvotes on this: it's like there's a set of people hellbent on echoing marketing claims, in ignorance of (what I formerly perceived as basic) chip physics - first one to the next process gets to declare a 20-30% bump, and in the age of TSMC and contract fabs, that's no longer an _actual_ differentiation, the way it was in the 90s.

I'm as sceptical of Apple's marketing claims as anyone but if you're comparing actual performance of laptops that you will be able to buy next week against hypothetical performance of a cpu that may or may not be available next year (or the year after) then the first has a lot more credibility.

PS last I checked AMD was not moving Zen to 5nm until 2022 - so maybe a year plus wait is a differentiation.

That'll mean an 8c/16t will catch up to a 4+4 core

Apple will have a 8+4 core out soon, and likely much larger after that. Since they're so much more power efficient, they can utilize cores better at any TDP.

Regardless, this competition is great for us consumers! I’m excited to see ARM finally hit its stride and take on the x64 monopoly in general purpose computing.

Apple hardware is far removed from general purpose and is about as propertiarty computing as it comes.

General purpose != free. Totally separate categories.

is a higher score worse? If not it's a sweep in favor of ryzen

https://i.imgur.com/cwpebHk.png

Higher scores are better http://support.primatelabs.com/kb/geekbench/interpreting-gee...

You're making completely the wrong comparison. On the left you have Geekbench 5 scores for the A12Z in the Apple DTK, and on the right you have Geekbench 4 scores for the Ryzen.

The M1 has leaked scores of ~1700 single core and ~7500 multicore on Geekbench 5, versus 1200 and 6000 for the Ryzen 4750U.

how can you tell it's only 6k for the ryzen 4750U on the GB5 tests? there's so many pages and pages of tests I can't sift through all of that to confirm

not sure why I'm getting downvoted, I clicked around and found a ryzen that benchmarked at 7.5k...didn't go through even half the benchmarks though

there is only 6k for 4750U https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/search?q=4750U

swznd: this is from the page you linked https://i.imgur.com/JgN8o3m.png am I reading this wrong?

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