The challenge is, I suspect they ask for race & gender is intentionally requested to add bias. I’ve worked with recruiters and part of the job is indeed targeting “under represented” groups to improve the figures.
They are cagey about the exact details of who is included at a given time. But I do know it varies by rule.
Unfortunately the political correct movement today has decided that racial discrimination is best solved with even more racial discrimination.
I have 6 kids, their mother is white. I've heard stories from each of them that range from kids asking, "why is your dad brown and you're pink?" to "My parents were surprised when that brown guy showed up to pick you up."
> These outcome gaps do not cancel-out in the later stages, as female and White applicants are more likely to receive an interview and offer.
Though it does at least help candidates avoid bias in getting a callback:
> To further address endogeneity concerns, we perform quasi-experimental analysis involving applicants whose race and gender are ambiguous to the recruiter in the initial application review stage, but are later revealed in the phone screen stage. We find that ambiguity in applicants’ race and gender attenuates the main effects of race and gender on receiving a callback – that is, the outcome gap in callback disappears for applicants whose race and gender are ambiguous to the recruiter
In the paper they controlled for "years of experience, average tenure, past employment at a talent competitor, education, university rank, referral status, and skills." Even with the initiatives you mention, Black (-6%), Hispanic (-9%), and Asian (-13%) applicants are less likely to be called back.
If you mean "irrevocably determined with a 100% certainty" maybe...
But you know, most people who think their name doesn't give away their race, are a certain race...
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Funny that this is really such an uncomfortable truth for some people here... I'm a black guy with a Ghanaian name, so I laughed out loud reading the comment.
It's not like black people aren't allowed to have "euro-centric" names, but, surprise surprise, Caucasians represent a large majority of people with those names
Likewise there are names that almost no Caucasians have (like mine)
If someone is reading your resume intent on being biased, a name like "Austin Walters" is going to appear as... a white guy.
There black guys named Austin Walters but they're also not conducting a census... if someone really wants to discriminate against you based on race, your name is plenty to go on.
https://www.mynamestats.com/First-Names/A/AU/AUSTIN/chart-di...
https://www.mynamestats.com/Last-Names/W/WA/WALTERS/chart-di...
Again, they're not conducting a science study, an 80% chance is plenty for the kind of person trying to discriminate...
Likewise, someone who reads my name, which uses consonants in a way that English doesn't usually ( causing people to mispronounce my very simple last name even when reading it verbatim) will instantly assume I'm black.
It's something I accept as a person with a very black name, it tells you the main audience of HN is this is really such a revelation for some of you lol
Unfortunately seems like a pipe dream for the human race right now, cheers to those who try though.