Second cable breaks at Puerto Rico’s Arecibo telescope
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They use radio telescopes to look for disturbances in the timing of millisecond pulsars due to gravitational waves, and they get about half of their data from Arecibo.
The project has been going for almost 15 years and they had just begun to see interesting stuff in their data. As the the project relies on continuous measurements of the pulsars, in order to detect variations in their timing, the presenter mentioned that more than six months of downtime would have a significant impact on the quality of their their overall data, and as mentioned on their page[2] many of the pulsars can only be measured by the Arecibo telescope due to its sensitivity.
[1]: http://pirsa.org/20100068/
[2]: http://nanograv.org/announcement/2020/08/20/Arecibo.html
Edit: dredmorbius mentions in a comment below China has built a better observatory for this type of science [2]. Retask remaining science to other assets, decommission Arecibo.
[1] https://www.nsf.gov/news/special_reports/astronomy/facilitie...
https://www.leolabs.space/radars/ (private org operating a global network of phased array radar for space debris monitoring)
https://public.nrao.edu/telescopes/vlba/ (global network of rf observatories operating in concert)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_space_telescopes (space observatories)
The city next to Green Bank telescope, the other major telescope for NANOGrav, has banned[1] cell phones and similar in order for the telescope to not be drowned in noise.
[1]: https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2015/07/us/quiet-town-am...
Does FAST cover most of the same pulsars Arecibo does?
See the latest update on https://www.ucf.edu/news/update-on-arecibo-observatory-facil.... Just a month ago, cable sag surveys and safety assessments were done, and a structural monitoring instrumentation system was installed. I'd be curious what those reports show, and if this most recent failure was anticipated. If it wasn't expected, what was the value of the work last month?
Edit: Upon further thought, I think it's an exceptional idea that SpaceX submit itself as an O&M vendor for NSF (and perhaps even NASA) RF/observatory facilities. Between launches and StarLink, they have demonstrated lean execution.
@ISL: Your point is noted, but SpaceX has a $50-100 billion valuation, access to capital markets, and StarLink is likely to be very profitable. I don't think it's fair to paint them to be in financial peril as they were during their earlier years. UCF's entire budget is $2 billion, and they can't scrap together a few millions dollars to properly care for Arecibo. UCF and SpaceX have each demonstrated their level of capability.
..about radio telescope arrays, computer power and feasibility. Astronomers complain that they lost the sight of the stars because of Starlink. Could it be somehow compensated by an array of moving, smaller radio telescopes in orbit?
Britannica: 'The world’s most powerful radio telescope, in its combination of sensitivity, resolution, and versatility, is the Very Large Array (VLA) located on the plains of San Agustin near Socorro, in central New Mexico, U.S. The VLA consists of 27 parabolic antennas, each measuring 25 metres (82 feet) in diameter. The total collecting area is equivalent to a single 130-metre (430-foot) antenna.'
https://www.scientific-computing.com/analysis-opinion/harves...
For one thing, if you want the same signal-collecting power as the Arecibo observatory, you need dishes with the same total area. Since Arecibo is 1000 feet in diameter, if you put dishes on every one of the 12,000 satellites in the initial Starlink constellation, they would each have to be over 9 feet. That's about the same size as the chassis of the satellite itself.
In order to do anything useful with the collected data, the receivers need to have very precisely synchronized clocks, and their relative positions need to be known to within a small fraction of the wavelengths you're interested (which for Arecibo can be on the order of centimeters). I'm not sure whether GPS receivers alone would be enough to meet these requirements -- you might need to add atomic clocks to every satellite as well.
Now you have to think about how to aim the antennas. Presumably you can't just reorient the entire satellite, because its main job is to keep its ground-facing antennas aimed at the ground and its solar panels aimed at the sun. So you need to add a separate antenna pointing mechanism, with a fairly wide range of very accurate movement along multiple axes, so that all of the radio antennas can observe the same region of the sky simultaneously.
Presumably the Arecibo telescope itself is connected to fairly sensitive, low-noise, specialized signal processing equipment. You would have to take all of this equipment, design a space-rated version that can fit on a satellite, and then manufacture 12,000 of them. You also need to add enough solar panels to power it.
All of this would add a huge amount of mass to every satellite, which would make them way more expensive to launch. Note that this applies to to both the monetary cost and the opportunity cost of SpaceX's annual launch capacity.
Finally, the Starlink satellites have a roughly 5-year design lifetime, so it's not enough to build this colossally expensive telescope array once; you have to keep building and launching half a dozen replacements per day for as long as you want to continue using it. There's no way it would ever be cost-competitive with a ground-based observatory.
Clearly not precious enough to fix the observatory.
While now I’m just a developer, it definitely sparked my curiosity and my like for science.
I have very fond memories of it.
Worse than that, the article mentions this telescope is one of the few that can emit radar and is used to track nearby asteroids.
That function will need replacing too.
Prior to LIGO's detections, they were hoping to be the first to detect and confirm the existence of gravitational waves but LIGO beat them to the punch. They were already concerned about defunding of efforts in radio astronomy and fighting to keep some of this hardware operational. These Arecibo hits are probably not a great addition.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/09/vieques...
> US Navy bombing range
> accidentally dropped bombs on civilian homes nearby
> Puerto Rico’s Invisible Health Crisis
> military’s activities caused illnesses
> The Navy eventually conceded to using heavy metals and toxic chemicals like depleted uranium and Agent Orange on the island
We clearly have very different definitions of "fun". But thanks for sharing, interesting reading!
https://www.nasa.gov/directorates/spacetech/niac/2020_Phase_...
why build one, when you can have two for twice the cost?
https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-11-06/China-to-open-its-FAST...
China built an earth based one, wolfram74 posted a link to a moon based one that JPL proposed for funding.
Point remains a larger dish exists and is operational.
Just compare the structures back when science, research and progress were taken seriously to now. It was the US government that gave humanity lasers, Internet, integrated circuits, battery tech, databases (Oracle!), satellite-based data gathering - almost all of what modern life grants us was founded back decades ago by massive government/military research programs.
Side note: this is also valid for Europe. We have all lost our collective focus to progress and advance to corporate greed and minimalist-government theories, while China has picked up the slack. The 21st century, I fear, will belong to China thanks to the collective actions of the last 30 years.
I know we're speaking the same base. Science funding is woefully short for pure scientific research endeavors. The US gave up on the race for discovery a long long time ago before I was born. The "why?" must always be backed up with a solid money making something. "Why?" can no longer be "because we don't know what we might find out" for a response that will get funded.
The other problem with crowdfunding is the complete lack of accountability on part of the founder. When the head of the European Space Acency Had A Word with his colleague at NASA about the delays with Galileo (about half of the experiments on Galileo were European) he could tell him that either the bird flies or all of Europe will forget about America and instead work with the Russians for the next 30 years. You can't do that on Gofundme, instead you lose out completely on that kind of project. No one sane is going to commit to a crowdfunded Arecibo when you don't know for certain that the crowd will support it 5 years hence.
Without waiting for states and large funding that usually take a lot more time to get
Could this be built using some lightweight composite materials?
But tomorrow weight of this tower with new equipment there can become 1000t. And new cables need to be installed. And so on.