Startups that have hit more than $1K MRR in about 12-24 months
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$1k MRR may not sound impressive in Silicon Valley / New York etc., but 1) it's actually pretty good in other places in the world - the world is just too big, too diverse; 2) not many people have the skill to make $1k MRR without working for an established companies, and not many people have the time / energy to do side hustles or have guts to quit their job to find time to do so.
$1k MRR is a milestone. You can grow it to $2k, $5k, $10k down the road. Your efforts can directly affect the financial outcome.
Exactly. This is for all those people who would love to have their first sweet spot of achieving $1K MRR to start with.
For Silicon Valley/New York, ofcourse $1K MRR is nothing. But we have lot examples who went on nomad life style travelling countries and working from places with cheaper cost of living and in those case $1K MRR is still big.
Listing fees? Or ads?
Does this mean that many of these projects could stand to put a lot more effort into sales? Would that make a reliable difference? Or is it really just this hard? Or a bit of both?
I feel like for some of these, giving the best salesperson you know a huge commission, just getting the ball rolling, could make quite a big difference.
To argue the other side, an old boss of mine would say that some of the products listed are really features. One of his favorite mantras was: "A feature is not a product and a product is not a company."
To respond to the "is it really just this hard", well... yes and no. If you are unwilling to market/promote/sell your product or just give most of the value away, then sure, it's very very hard. However, if you're willing to hustle on the "business" side of things, then it may not be that hard. One thing that too many techies get wrong is that they try to be innovative in everything. Don't -- just innovate along one axis. For everything else, just copy best practices and you'll be fine.
Side note: commission driven sales is a viable strategy for some product categories in some markets. But for most, it's not. Remember, in business, almost everything is context dependent. Any good tactical advice of "do X" is also bad advice in a different context. And vice versa.
A lot of them seem like run of the mill productivity software, it is a crowded market with big incumbents.
The ones with unique offerings may just be too marginal to garner a large enough customer base, business customers ultimately want full feature suite products.
Run of the mill doesn't work anymore I guess. Most products now needs some unique features or build something for a niche.
Today, you can expect a product that launches to be extremely polished and have a very calculated marketing strategy from the original pitch, to some kind of an invitation list of early adopters, a lot of blogging time invested, and lastly, a sales team of some sort. A lot of them will have some kind of financial backing. And best of all, you won't even know to what degree their image and branding is curated to sell one story ("We're a small shop") vs reality ("We are very well connected with decision makers at important companies", etc).
Basically, it was taken from a fun side project and perfected to a business science on an industry-wide scale when the sharks smelled how much money was on the table.
May be correct that a good salesperson could make a diff.
Would love to hear the product that came close to your side project. Interested to know.
Not even close to launch but think data transformation & automation, but for BAU, not analytics. So yeah automatic APIs is part of it.
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I mean the Pentagon spends billions on things like latrines and office supplies. Assuming this does what it says it does, why is it making pennies?
I mean quite a few are significantly more than a grand, and there are a few that if I got that much for my side project I think it totally makes sense to go for it.
If you started a business mowing lawn, cutting hair, you better be way past $1K revenue in 6 months. If you're fully committed to building a startup and 100% vested in it, even $10k a month isn't impressive after 24 months. MY OPINION. If you're that skilled and can't figure out how to make money fast, you really might be better of leetcoding and getting a job at one of the FAANGs or well paying SV companies.
Going from $0 to any number greater than $0 is an accomplishment IF your product is genuinely something new, where product market fit is unknown. It means you've found a customer. Which is very difficult. Many startups never find even a single customer.
Obviously finding your first customers is nothing to brag about if you're mowing lawns, because everyone on the planet is aware that anyone with grass in front of their house knows someone occasionally needs to mow it. Same with anyone who has hair on their head.
> even $10k a month isn't impressive after 24 months
> might be better of leetcoding and getting a job at one of the FAANGs
I don't think the point is to maximize lifetime income. But you're absolutely right that if your life goal is to maximize lifetime income, statistically speaking, you shouldn't start a startup.
Now with everyone moving to cloud and managed services, the infra cost is too less.
If someone is able to automate most things and working like 1 hour a day and still makes $1K MRR, its still good assuming its growing slowly.
For example, one of my SAAS products starting making revenue this month without spending a dime on ads until now. Agreed it takes some time.
I am not disagreeing on Ads part. These days most people are spinning landing pages, spending money on ads and validating real quick.
Specifically if the architecture is purely written on front end, it would be much cheaper.
Lots more head aches with in person businesses than SaaS. I have a neighbour who switched from lawn care to SaaS (selling other peoples tools), says it doesn't matter how much you pay him, he wouldn't go back.
I fail to see the point of this negativity.
Mowing lawns, I'll be busy for those $1k MRR. If I have a SaaS with optimized implementation and a halfway solid foundation, those $1k MRR might be equivalent to $950 gross profit. And I'll get those $950 even if I don't do a thing.
So those $950 are additive. I can still mow the lawn to turn them into $1950 monthly.
While the traditional VC yardsticks* are both way too reductionist AND now well out-dated, they at least provide a rough sense of how good of an opportunity you have.
* I've heard these are the perquisites for VC SaaS funding rounds (note this is probably 5 years out of date, and they are likely much higher now): $10k MRR for Seed, $100k MRR for Series A, $500K - $1M MRR for Series B.
That all said, I like how Jason Lemkin talks about this. Basically, "I don't care how long it took you to get to $1M ARR - could be 10 years. But I need to see a clear path to getting to $100M ARR in 5 years from when you hit $1M". Paraphrasing. Obviously this is only for VC-scale businesses/approaches, not denigrating other ways of building a business.
Here we are talking about purely small indie hacking companies that are growing big. :)
If u are at $10K/month, you are probably at break-even or ramen profitable or whatever.
A $500K seed, $3M valuation, in a central tech hub - that seems kind of low to me ?
> they are likely much higher now
Surely the bar has gone DOWN ? With many more options? Maybe your growth rate can really change the valuation?
Unless of course, you prefer to have the freedom to work on whatever you want to work on.
Depends. If you are doing the mowing, cutting then i'd agree -- because it isnt a "product/platform/marketplace business" as much as a service, so you should earn the market rate of the service, less your independence discount.
If you are not doing the mowing, cutting but instead have a scalable business that could grow beyond the 24hrs you can work yourself, then you may not have made $1k in 6mo because you're investing for growth.
Since the article is about MRR, i'm assuming they are talking about the second category, which is true MRR.
It always makes happy to get a MRR even if its a small amount when you are just starting up.
I think its still a deal if I am making $1K MRR with 1 hour work per day and if its growing.
- Many of these are side projects.
- Any company that sells in increments < $1k/mo will at some point be making "only" $1k/mo. This is as true of the companies presented here as it is of Mailchimp or Twilio. The only way to get bigger is to grow through $1k/mo.
- $0-$1k MRR is the hardest step for many businesses. Once you hit $1k/mo, it's likely a smoother path to $10k and beyond.
What you’ll also have: little opportunity for growth, barely any valuable experience, skills, or learning opportunities, an intellectually boring job, nothing to show off to potential future employers, and you’re giving up working for yourself to sell your time.
And that’s ignoring your massive assumption that all these startups are full time jobs.
What a simplistic viewpoint.
- a $1k/mo MRR business generally has some fungibility to be sold. For a SaaS business @ $1k/mo MRR with a working product, I could easily see that being worth $30k+ to any number of buyers. (Because you have de-risked the problem significantly by going from $0 -> revenue.)
- You can potentially 10x that $1k/mo in a very short period by spending time (and money, if available) on customer acquisition.
I feel that every problem I try to tackle is not a real problem. It’s a vitamin and not an ibuprofen. The real problems already have a solution - which means that I’d need to spend a few years and a few hundred thousand dollars to just get a chance to maybe make a profitable product.
There are successful products that started catering to a finite set of audience and still making a lot of money.
For example, one from my list is ChurchCo making $45K/month just by doing websites for Churches. Can you believe?
So, just by picking unique features and niching down the audience, you can still place a safe bet without spending a few years and hundreds of dollars.
"There’s only two ways I know of to make money: bundling and unbundling." - Barksdale
https://hbr.org/2014/06/how-to-succeed-in-business-by-bundli...
ChurchCo is just an unbundling of Squarespace it seems like with a specific niche. I guess we've reached the point where Squarespace is now big enough, with so much configuration options, that it's confusing for people who "Just want a good looking church website".
Small fish in a huge market seems like a great strategy.
If you came up with a transporter you could make trillions in the shipping industry.
If you are part of a small group who knows the person who created a transporter you can be the first setting up services around that and make billions.
If you are the last person to discover you have to beat everyone before or discover something new.
Maybe you should push forward with the problems you want to tackle. Vitamins sell. A lot.
Yes. This is all real data. No false data. All data taken from various sources like stripe, paddle, baremetrics data. Only thing to note is - this is before expenditure deduction.
Its revenue. Not profit. But with most of these typically sass and lean startups, I would say 80%-90% would be profits, may be.
I get that, but the owner of the site reiterating the validity does not really verify anything. At least a page on the website that explains the methodology of arriving at these numbers would be better, maybe with some anonymized screenshots even.
If the whole premise of listt.xyz is showcasing financials of private businesses, I wouldn't trust the data integrity so blindly without at least some credible explanation of how those numbers came to be.
So, companies like baremetrics pulls this data from their stripe,paddle accounts. Business will give access to baremetrics/similar companies to pull this data. Listt uses data from this kind of sources.
This builds credibility around the business.
Probably can find some pattern? Or some suggested ideas to replicate success? Or find a niche?
Using a bunch of data from startups that succeeded is baking in a survivorship bias
In my view, survivorship bias is the main reason , some projects fail as the founders dont see the main reason behind the success for the product they copied.
There could be hundred reasons for a product to work for someone at sometime because of something.
Probably I should make a list of product that died after making $1K MRR(in 12-24 months)
In addition, third parties like analytics SDKs or payment processors, which in principle have the capability to easily audit usage and financial data, seem to never do this business.
Then there are non-primary-data-source firms like SensorTower and AppAnnie. They are always reactive to (not predictive of) "download counts" - they almost certainly take money to rank higher in their charts, or such a mechanism exists through whatever flawed data gathering approach they take. Anyone who can afford to pay AppAnnie and SensorTower is already well capitalized to some extent, and it is definitely effective to arbitrage $1m of cheap fake downloads through AppAnnie into a $10m investment from dumb money.
Compare to Steam, which publishes realtime concurrent player counts and sales data that is irrefutably true, with rare exceptions caused by bugs. (1) There are always big surprises in the Steam data, especially when you compare the genres that lead the charts to the genres that giant companies most aggressively market. Such transparency has been instrumental to the continued success of indie game developers on that platform. Steam has the fattest tails in the business, at least in terms of something we can actually validate, so it's still your best bet for information.
Despite the information, there is still not a viable venture capital model around Steam games. You'll never see a Y Combinator gaming startup list on Steam, and the ones that do, they'll fail to raise money because all that investors will talk about is "how many users u got?" It's a vicious cycle
The problem is lack of simple ideas for analyzing this data, something so simple and straightforward that the kind of people who become Managing Directors can process in a deck.
Anyway, a startup is never going to release numbers it can't fudge.
(1) https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/aflabl/psa_stop_hypi...
So, I would say this data is real.
But only point to note is the figures are without expenses deducted. Not profits. But only revenues.
See a startup with 50k MRR after 12 months and 10m followers? Those 10m followers must have really helped! Oh wait that company actually raised 10m and spent 2m on advertising...
Only thing to note is - this is before expenditure deduction.
Its revenue. Not profit. But with most of these typically sass and lean startups, I would say 80%-90% would be profits, may be.
Once you get your site up to $1k MRR, then the dream is in sight. It’s got to start somewhere.
So, infact, apart from their day job, this $1K MRR is an add-on if not life changing.
total cost? a month of my time looking at houses and negotiating, which i enjoyed, and about 45k downpayment.
plus i get all the tax writeoffs that property ownership brings.
most of these "startups" seem like more work than they are worth.